Not so much low on peoples list, but its a simple and repairable issue. We have quality exhausts ranging from $600-$5,000+. There are at least a dozen if not more exhausts for the Z that make it sound awesome.

The Porsche has a better sound? At $61k starting.... I hope so. The Z isn't the best sounding car out there. But its overexaggerated how bad it is. It isn't even bad. Non-owners and people desperately getting into other cars for whatever reason will nit-pick these things at greater volume than needed. It is what it is.

It matters differently to everyone. There are a number of owners on this forum that have spent a lot of money trying to adjust the way the Z makes noise.

Quit trying to read in things that aren't there. I don't have an issue with the sound, I'm just explaining why others do.

OK, I will bite, but only because I'm bored without my ZdayZ fix.

Not only have you made this statement no less than four times without providing a source, the lap time deltas are comparable to a number of other tests. Whether the car was abused any differently than any other car in the test (because let's face it, none of these cars were being babied)is subject to debate, but there's certainly been no admission of such from C&D--which means it is all speculative.

I'll save you the 8 second google search and provide the post-mortem here:

Z Meets Wall: We Investigate Why the NISMO Z's Brakes Failed at Lightning Lap - Feature - Car and Driver

Verdict? Lack of air on the brakes--nothing new to anyone who's familiar with the Z. Nothing about the car having been abused. There's also no mention of the car having felt wrong, as you seem to indicate. You can also scope the original article and find the same thing rings true (although you might contend that the below description of the car indicates something was wrong:icon17:)

Lightning Lap 2009 - Car Comparison - Feature Article - Page 8


Now, back to the point I was making earlier, let's compare the Z's performance at VIR against another mag test.

Lightning lap:

Mustang GT 3:08.6
370Z : 3:12.00
EXO MR : 3:13.3
Mini Cooper John Cooper Works : 3:17.1
Volkswagen GTI : 3:19.3
Miata 3:29.3

Now, let's take a look at another test--this one with a fresh Z:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ps075ee6cb.png

The Z still slots in right where you'd expect given the course change and such. You can't make this sort of stuff up! And, since I know that sometimes it is hard to compare numbers, here are the scaled track times, in visual format:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ps10357a7c.png

Blue dots are LL, red dots are scaled Grattan times.

My takeaway from these results is that if anyone was going to complain about their car's performance at LL, it should be the poor guys in Miatas...

So, I'm not convinced there is any evidence supporting the claim that the 370Z in the LL test was some sort of oddity--if you have any, I would love to see it.

Quit trying to explain every fvckin thing. :tup:

It boils down to the fact is a fixable issue that's overstated. You're saying what im saying. I'm saying its not a big deal. You're saying it is to many. Varied opinions. I think the media boosted that overstatement Go figure...
Thats my point but you gotta keep going and going and going and going. Cuz Red doesn't feel good about himself unless he's aggressively trying to prove himself right and have the last word.

How did the 2013 brake hosed and oil cooled Nismo do? All this talk about ancient history... :ughdance:

EDIT: Actually,C&D shows too many overall biases on certain brands to even hold them credible. No other mag is as one sided as C&D. I only will read the first drives & long term tests in that mag. Performance TESTS i leave to R&T and MT.

"and the 350-hp V-6’s character turns coarse as it runs to redline. We also wondered whether all 350 ponies showed up."

glad im not the only one who feels that way

Why don't you go build a ship in a bottle or something with all the free time on your hands. I honestly have no drive to search the internet like you for 3 year old articles cause I honestly do not care what anyone thinks on this forum but the Z in this test was also tested by its self or with a competitor and the car ran mid to high 5 seconds 0-60 and the quarter in the high 13's. They mentioned just like they did at LL that the car was not running properly.

You fgts should be arguing about this at ZDayZ with me. :mad:

Next year I'm coming down 2 weeks in advance lol. I miss that place so much.

It's so nice being here early. Got in on Sunday evening. Monday was really quiet. Today is still quiet but there are a few more Z folks here. They should really start rolling in Wednesday and Thursday.

Did the Cherohala Skyway loop today. That was a lot of fun.

where was that mentioned?

If you rely on any magazine for performance test data, you're likely to be disappointed.

Someone trying to backup their comments with facts and logic? We can't have that nonsense in here! :p

The only reliable source is Top Gear.

You posted it. They said it did not feel like the car brought all 350 ponies. Meaning it felt slower then it really should be.

Meaning it felt slower than a 350hp car should.

You're input is about as useful as useed toilet paper, Leasee, king of the one-liners.

Actually I rely on myself. I go by what feels right for me. But I'm talking about who gets closer to the ballpark.

Even top gear has their biases. At the end of the day. It's really which car compliments your personal skill. But from a readers perspective, those magazines give more detailed realistic input than C&D's cool factor reviews.

Lastly, to me, I need time behind a wheel to really know what a car is capable of. The VQ doesn't really even sit in well till somewhere around 15,000-30,000miles depending on you treat it. A lot of instant modders that by 22,000 miles or less are trading trhe car. From my experience VQ's performance is best from 30k to 90k.

I'm just going to say this. How I feel about the Z as a performance vehicle.

Do I love the overall package? Yes.
Is it flawed for my expectations? Both yes and no.

As an individual car, I believe the Z needs to be more. Where I disagree with most is when the comparisons from other cars come in. The only legit comparisons really are the Cayman S and Corvette. Not because of price... But because of expectations. Not that i expect the Z to be as good as the others. But meet 8 to 9/10yths of both cars expectations...

Does the Z do that? Yes. So why does it need to be improved?

Well, the car could have been better balanced and weighed less. The VQ37 should have been downsized this gen, but people didnt realize they wanted that till the FRS hype. So i don't fault Nissan in that either... They ga e customers exactly what they wanted out of the 350z. And when the people got it, they shytted all over it.

Biggest mistakes:
No first yr oil cooler
No second year brake cooling for both Nismo and sport
No upgraded radio on all base models.

3 stupid things nissan neglected imho.

But as an individual machine. The car is still fun. I expect and hope improvements will make it handle more porsche like and turbo (hopefully) will give it some of that vette style torque (of course not as strong but if its stronger than the strong ATS torque in feel. I'll take it)

I love my z and hope to FI it after me and the wife get in a house. And by the third model year. I may buy the Z35, C6 camaro or Even a C7 vette? We'll see? Till then. My skill and the Z seem to go hand in hand.

I'm not needing a quieter cabin. And I'm not too shabby in the twisties and corners. I surprise my friends with more powerful cars than mine, how i could hang, sooo. I'm personally happy.

Still can't wait to see improvements happen.

Did nissan piss me off with not addressing issues appropiately. Yes to the point of borderline fury.
Did that experience make me hate my car or want to trade it. No, the Z is still far above average in performance.

I dont compare it to 420hp cars either so im even happier. Maybe i'll add one of those 420hp cars to sit next to my Z if i dont like the Z35.

Life goes on, and im still loving my Z.

in summary, the Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Costs less,is faster and handles almost as good as an M3 on a track. Take Notes Nissan

I drove Shado's Z06 today. Big mistake. Someone give me $50k.

:icon17: :stirthepot:

what did you expect to happen.

Handie.

That was probably after. :p

Lap time minus straights:

370z: 63.3
mustang gt: 63.3

So, the new mustang GT is not a car that only goes straight?

If it were a two seater with better design, I would consider this option seriously


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:iagree:


my thoughts about it:
- Engine management is too mild, it should be more aggressive like VTECs
- The 370z is too heavy.

:icon18:To bad you aren't here at ZDayZ to watch us all hopelessly attempt to keep up with Daisuke in his Boss. :roflpuke2:

That's really not fair. The tail of the dragon is mostly straights.

How's the Z06 doing at keeping up with the Boss?

I dont get how you didn't drive a Z06 or all considered cars BEFORE going to the Dealership and picking up another Z???

That's like saying the Z handles almost as good as a Porsche. You wipes needa stop contradicting yourselves...

Not even.

Yeah even, The M3 and stang get close in times around the track as did the porsche cayman s and 370z when R&T raced them. Remember, the porsche and Z alone on a track had a tighter race than them lumped up with other cars in the lightning lap.

Same thing happened with the stang and M3 when they raced alone. But getting close lap times doesn't make 2 cars close to each other. It's still the sword vs the hatchet comparo.

But there will be always that "fanboyish" exception to the rule that can ONLY be found on the self loathing Z forum.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...rsche-cayman-s

"So did the Cayman S win this battle? According to our ratings and test numbers, it sent the 370Z back home. But is the Cayman S worth nearly twice the price of a 370Z? Based purely on performance, no. The lap times are pretty close and the handling and acceleration numbers relatively comparable. If you had to pinch pennies to afford one of these cars, the Z makes by far more sense. But if you're well-off, and put an intangible value on overall refinement, powerplant/chassis harmony and an illustrious motorsports legacy, well, the choice is easy"

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

A Mustang is a Mustang. Always has been, always will be, no matter how close it comes to knocking off one of the world's finest sports cars. Even if it had fully scalped the Bavarian, that wouldn't change the fundamental ethos of a legend 46 years in the making: fast, fun, and within reach of everyman. It's not America's M3. It's America's Mustang.

At the end of the day,mustang and Z are both going after more expensive cars that they can perform close to but cant be compared to in the experience of driving them.

If you've ever driven the cars in question, it's quite obvious that the Mustang and 370Z are much closer than the 370Z and the Cayman S--which should come as no surprise to anyone who understands physics.

The Mustang and the Z share handling dynamics far more closely than most here would like to admit. If anything, the Z brings with it more of the slow-me-down push than the Mustang does.

There's a lot of give-and-take between the Mustang & Z in terms of handling (SRA issus vs toe-steer, weight vs balance) that makes the evaluation somewhat subjective. If you prefer a car that rotates easily, the Mustang will likely be your preference, as long as you don't mind a little extra weight. On the other hand, if you'd like something smaller and lower-slung, the Z is a no-brainer, as long as you don't mind pushing a bit more in the turns (or running 305s up front).

As compared to the Cayman S, there's really no give and take--the only thing the Z has on the Cayman is straight-line power(and cost!). The brilliant and precise chassis in the Z pales in comparison to that of the Cayman. The engine placement and balance puts the Z (and frankly, most other cars) to shame.

The gap between the Z and S is far bigger than the Z and Stang...as you might expect given the price. The M3, 370Z, and Mustang all share a pretty similar handling mentality (lot of power and a lot of weight on the front axle).

I wasnt comparing the Z to the mustang in terms of performance. I was talking about their philosophies with more expensive competitors As usual. It ends up that way 2 key components of the mustang i dont like. Steering is extremely numb by comparison, cornering not as flat. Thats enough for me to prefer the z. I'm down on power,yes. But if power was that important to me? I would have bought a vette GS at least.


Goes back to what i said in one of the first posts concerning this.

You are not going to get an FR to feel like an MR, Thats why i compare these cars according to what they were designed to do. And rate them in there own category.
v6 vs v8 vs turbo v6 or v8 depending how far back you wanna go? lol These types of comparo's go nowhere with opinions that walk on a really fine ledge...

I'm not clear what point you are trying to make.

Jungle said:
You replied:
This is what I responded to.


Your reply is completely non-sequiturial, and doesn't line up with what you are claiming to have said above. Can you help me understand what you are trying to convey?

UNKNOWN was simply responding to junglez's trolling. Then you (Red__Zed), never wanting to miss out on a d!ck waving competition jumped into the fray.

Yup, here's hoping the 2015 refresh moves things in the right direction.

Your two word response to my response to someone else confused me as well. But since you jumped in. I assumed you're backing up Jungles point. My only original point is that mustangs and Z's are cheaper versions of higher priced precision cars, and both stang and Z relatively do their individual jobs well.

But most here denounce the Z having good performance thats GENERALLY comparable to a Porsche Cayman.
My point is the Mustang is GENERALLY comparable to a BMW M3. To denounce one(Z/Cayman) from one comparo and praise the other in another (M3/Mustang) shows bias.

Let me make clear the word "GENERALLY", DOES NOT mean the Z is a cheap Cayman twin

Both stang and Z are hatchets compared to the swords which are M3 and Porsche Cayman. What I'm saying is simple. You guys are making it complicated.

If you really read your posts against mine. You're arguing a point we agree on but you're coming from a different approach and concocting an argument.

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