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Yeah but it's a hyundai??? No longer a good argument. Quality has surpassed honda and toyota. In many ways hyundai now rivals Nissan/Infiniti up to a certain point.

While the hyundai genesis coupe has not been able to break out of the value stigma with it's genesis coupe. It has come a long way since 2010. It's 3.8ltr 348hp launches the 3.8 gen coupe in 5.0 seconds from a rollout to 60. and 5.4 from a straight zero. It doesn't beat the Z accel 4.6/5.1 stats but ties the G37, it's true competitor. Is now lighter, more nimble and had 85% of most G features. It did damage and made the infiniti vehicle less important over the last 2 years.

Hyundai Sports Sedan Coming in 2015 to Rival 3 Series | AutoGuide.com News

Now Hyundai Genesis coupe is looking to attack the 335i in performance. The 2014 Genesis Sedan is to have AWD model. If this AWD system is added to other models like the gencoupe and veloster??? The hyundai will definiely invade areas that other car companies are sort of neglecting.

From my test drives of the hyundai gencoupe and sedan, There main flaw is shytty transmissions that cant epitomize the performance of high potential engines. The second thing. Though they handle well and feel good on the road. There's a crudeness under high speed turning that the hyundai truly lacks in responsiveness the G can bring. That said, the Gencoupe can still pull out equal or better track times with the right driver. Fixing the gens flaws would truly send the genesis coupe to another level putting the current G coupe, now deeper in the weird "Why do I cost so much?" status that it's currently in now..

They beat infiniti in the price/performance game. Though that beat is marginal, its a win regardless... Now they have decided to attack the competitor that @ one time, infiniti was the aggressor to BMW.

Will the Infiniti climb to new heights in 2014 and surpass even BMW? Or will Hyundai come in like a thief in the night and completely invalidate the G coupe (Next gen Infiniti will be Q coupe) by bypassing Infiniti and defeating BMW?

Hyundai always finds a way to kinda kill a good thing by going on the cheap in the very end? Will this trend end with the next gencoupe? I have a feeling, hyundai will step up hardcore. Let's see what happens?

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:inoutroflpuke: now that's funny!

I dunno 6MT.... my wife's new Veloster Turbo has all the makings of a fine automobile at a fraction of the competitors prices.... I have to say that the competition will have to watch out for Hyundai more than ever!

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April fools already?

The gencoupe has matched G37s performance. Whats so funny about that? Its something to commend but also for comptitors to take seriously. Have you driven a genesis coupec2.0 and 3.8?

I have been in the Genesis and I really hate the interior compared to most other sports cars. Other than that, the numbers are impressive as well as the potential.

Yeah... The interior needs work, but as an enthusiast, thats really a minor issue. Now I'm not saying the gen is better than a G37s overall, but it is a performance twin, even with certain deficiencies. Also, the gen's reduces weight makes it feel a little more nimble than the G which imho gives the Gen a marginal win. I owned both G35 and 37s. The gen has trade offs to infiniti but provides slighly more fun overall handling experience.
Fix the transmission and the win won't be close anymore. It will be a landslide victory on hyundai's part. Infiniti only wins in more responsive transmissions and luxury/interior.

not sold on the idea of the Gen being an Infiniti killer.... the refinement is WAYYYYY to far off for me in that area. My friend has gone thru 4 transmissions on his 3.8 coupe as well.....

The chassis feel is still what kills the car in my mind.


Mag numbers are garbage. Winning on paper doesn't mean a win in feel....otherwise cars like the s2000 would have never sold.

in my opinion its the transmission, the manual transmission feels slushy, gear changes dont feel right and their new 8AT just has to many gears, its always shifting up and down to maintain power

I will never buy a car with a crooked H.

Ever.


Ever. I don't care how much performance it's bringing lol

The cars they make might be quick as hell, but everyone I know with a Hyndai has had more issues than I have had with any Toyota I have ever had...
The build quality is still **** and even though they come with a 10 year warranty, it seems as if they don't like to replace parts

So god bless them for making fast cars. But don't lie to me and tell me their quality has surpassed Honda or Toyota...

My fiance has a 2010 Gen Coupe 3.8 for almost 2 years now and we havent had any problems out of it. She has daily driven it since she owned it. Granted she probably doesnt drive it hard, but its held up fairly well. I will admit that the interior quality is sub par, and it could use some refining compared to the Z, but its a damn good job for Hyundai's first attempt at the RWD sports car. Especially since we got the R-Spec model for a little north of 25k. Not to mention I have received way more attention driving her car than either my 350z or 370z.

I wouldn't say it's being overlooked in SoCal but maybe in other parts of the country.

I have known a few people with them and they had nothing but good things to say about them.

You have to admit a Turbo 4-cylinder with Brembos in their Track-spec is a good value even if you don't respect the brand.

I think it's a good value for sure, but I don't think the build quality, fit, finish, etc. can compete with the likes of Infiniti/BMW. Also the Infiniti is much more of a luxury car than the gen coupe.

No way it will ever be competitive with the 3 series because a lot of people buy 3 series for the BMW badge. It may sell well, but it certainly won't hurt BMW's sales. I think the real competitor for the 3 series is the Cadillac ATS.

I agree with this most. There is some mild chassis slop compared to the infiniti but the percentage is low. The overall value to performance is high and the luxury factor is a small point from the enthusiast standpoint.

The Real point of the thread though is that, Hyundai has set its goals pretty high. I think, performance wise it has proven you don't need to spend 47k for good performance.
I think the next gen will show more than just a great "budget sports car" I think we'll see a real competitor.

Man, I hope Honda comes out with an S2000 again.

I think the Gen coupe vs G37 coupe comparison sort of parallels that of the Z vs Cayman. The Z can give you most of the performance for half the price, but the Cayman is more refined and better engineered.

Yeah I would agree that they have a long way to go before they can compete with BMW or Infiniti but it's a start.

Infiniti 10 years ago was still well behind the rest of the marquee brands and look how much progress they have made since that time

I don't. Because they'll royally f*ck it up.

What they really need IMO is a new brand image. They need to come out with their own high end/luxury brand to separate those cars from the Hyundai name. Just like Nissan has Infiniti, Honda has Acura, and Toyota has Lexus. That's the only way people will stop looking at them as "Hyundais". They're already trying to hide the fact that all their higher end cars are Hyundais. None of them have a Hyundai badge.

This is so true.

What makes you say that? I like the current Honda CEO. I'm all for finding green solutions, but the last CEO went too far killing off anything related to being sporty. The current CEO is trying to bring the fun back with NSX, F1, Type Rs, etc.

Said every FRS/BRZ owner :stirthepot:

I'll believe it when I see it. I have no faith in Honda to build anything worth driving any time soon.

It is true. The BRZ isn't a numbers car.

Hell, no car should be a numbers car. Drive a car because you enjoy driving it... not because it puts down numbers.

And proof that Honda (present) is full of idiots, here is what they showed at the Tokyo Auto Salon:

http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/20...-2-623x402.jpg

Hot Or Not? Honda Shows S2000 Modulo Climax Concept At Tokyo Auto Salon - WOT on Motor Trend

What the f*ck is wrong with you, present Honda? :mad:

:eek: :eekdance: :wtf2:

Looks like the S2k is tring to look like a miata???:confused:

Check that shiz out from the back... even worse!

The floor mats are badass, though. :icon17:

Way more attention that your 370z??? Holy shat

Excellent point

Probably didn't help them out that they were falsifying their MPG numbers either :eekdance:

I have to admit, the Veloster is a really cool little car but BMW/Audi/MB level, no way!

Wanna know how I got these scars? My father, was a drinker...and a fiend. And one night, he goes off craaaazier than usual. Mommy gets the kitchen to defend herself. He doesnt like that. Not...one...bit. So, me watching, he takes the knife to her, laughing while he does it. He turns to me, and he says, "Why so serious?". Comes at me with the knife, "Why so serious?!". Sticks the blade in my mouth, "Let's put a smile on that face".

The question is... Will infiniti keep building drivers cars or will they stagnate, like Mercedes did through the late 90's early 2000's. This new Altima and Sentra weren't very promising as FWD entries. Especially after Nissan being exposed to the New Sonata/optima, the new malibu, etc. The upcoming Versa hatch doesn't look like it will get any closer to competing against the Ford fiesta/Mazda2/chevy sonic (which should be its goal). Will we see a Sentra SE-R SpecV???
The body lines of the Camo G(Qsedan) look pretty much like an upscale version of the 13 Altima.
While I can tell the american market is going to improve on current patforms. It's questionable if the asian market will keep striving. At least hyundai at minimum has claimed a competitor. We in the z forum don't know if our next Z will be a Porsche Fighter or an upscale BRZ(disappointment if so?)

With Nissan being overly quiet in the most competitive time of the season... (the 2015 automobile marketing pre-emptive strike season) And Nissan 2013's being kinda lame (Z included) It's one of those things that make me look at car companies that are aggressive in making improvements.

Hyundai went from 306hp to 348 on the V6 and 220hp to 274 on the i4 turbo in 3 years. We got softer suspension and brake ducts on the nismo. Ok the Z is still the better car, but it shows a lack of wanting to strive for better. It's like japan is losing the competitive edge to lead in the sports car arena????? Is this true? I don't know. But there's not a small inkling of something impressive coming from Nissan thus far.

One of the biggest hurdles for Nissan/Infiniti is going to be able to meet the CAFE standards for the future.

Given the lackluster sales of the 370z I don't see them giving much of a focus on the next model. It will undoubtedly be an evolution of the 370z if they even decide to bring another model at all.

Everything that we're hearing from Infiniti is that they are looking to take the brand global so I don't see them slowing down at all but performance models is probably not their focus going forward

Actually it seems like Infiniti really wants to push their IPL line to higher levels of performance. They would like it to compete with AMG and BMW's M series.

This was where I was getting my assumption, it's an older article but pretty spot on for what we've seen so far:

Future of Infiniti - Three New Infiniti Models Coming to the Lineup - Autoweek

still a ugly car,,,,,

Yeah but where are the people's cars going to be?

Way more attention than 370z:ughdance: Not sure if srs,,,,