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Red__Zed

The chassis feel is still what kills the car in my mind.


Mag numbers are garbage. Winning on paper doesn't mean a win in feel....otherwise cars like the s2000 would have never sold.

luigi90210

in my opinion its the transmission, the manual transmission feels slushy, gear changes dont feel right and their new 8AT just has to many gears, its always shifting up and down to maintain power

UNKNOWN_370

I agree with this most. There is some mild chassis slop compared to the infiniti but the percentage is low. The overall value to performance is high and the luxury factor is a small point from the enthusiast standpoint.

The Real point of the thread though is that, Hyundai has set its goals pretty high. I think, performance wise it has proven you don't need to spend 47k for good performance.
I think the next gen will show more than just a great "budget sports car" I think we'll see a real competitor.

luigi90210

agreed, imo if they refine the gen coupe out a bit more, maybe more away from a DI engine or fix carbon build up and i feel it would be the perfect DD sports car

i wouldnt consider it a track day car though, but maybe thats just my Z fanboy showing XD

UNKNOWN_370

I feel you. And I'm sure if you compare a G37s to a 370z, you'd probably wouldn't want the G as your track car either.

I'm just nervous about all this sketchy Z info. Everytime magazines mention the Z and BRZ in the same breath when it comes to nissans next generation iteration. People say on paper numbers are garbage but I will challenge this theory of on paper stats meaning nothing.

The Z gained praise in 09 for having identical on paper stats as the Porsche Cayman S while beating it in overall grip. The Cayman S @ the time was a 13.3 second quarter mile car that averaged .94g on the skidpad. The Z pushed 13.1 (with automatic with .99g on the skidpad. On paper... this car was considered a Porsche fighter. The Z is far from the fastest car on the road but a driver capable enough can show a real competitive edge on paper.

If the "SO CALLED" extremely fun and "BEST OVERALL SPORTS CAR" in the world is a FRS/BRZ. And all of a sudden, these are the stats to beat???? The Z's new on paper quota to beat is 16 second quarters and .93g on the skidpad. I would call that 2 steps forward and 4 steps back.
If we make the BRZ our competitor? And Hyundai makes the BMW 3 series the competitor. We go from Porsche to subaru while Hyundai goes from infiniti to BMW. As it stands the gencoupe 2.0 CREAMS a BRZ on a roadcoarse. Now I don't see either of these cars as any real Z competitors. But when people in mags talk on types of cars tfor Nissan to beat or battle. That gets me nervous cuz as of now... NISSAN HAS THESE CARS BEAT BY A MILE...
My biggest Z fear is a Nissan downgrade while these little guys upgrade. Hmmm? One to ponder. I hope all this Bullshyt BRZ hype doesn't make nissan feel the need to downgrade the Z??? Remember, Mr K back in 2010 compained of the Z being to heavy. And power being too much of the focus. Mr K didn't like the Z34. Sadly I do.

The 2014 Porsche Cayman S with Sport Chrono package is the car to beat. 12.6 quarter mile. That number to me means something. The BRZ 15.9 seconds means as much to me as used toilet paper.

While I know sports cars aren't defined by speed. Speed and handling is my personal preference. I love fast cars that handle awesome. Sorry if I broke sports car law??? But the Z is a perfect combo of the above. (Though a little to front heavy)

luigi90210

oh im there with you

the g37s in my honest opinion isnt a good track car, its a nice street car though
the 370z is an excellent track car and a really good street car, and the nismo 370z is even better

but i feel paper stats are only there when it benefits people, and they help when making comparisons between cars(aka argue which car is better) but it doesnt do anymore then that

UNKNOWN_370

I'll admit that too many forum threads go overboard with "On paper" stats as a measurement of a sports car being good. Really, on paper stats don't prove much in that area.

But when it comes to car companies meeting a performance goal. Those on paper stats mean a lot before you purchase. To me, the on paper stats help me determine if the car is worth spending the money.

I'm pretty sure the on paper stats of a stock mustang 5.0 having the capability of pulling a 12.6 second quarter mile with a foot of roll out sold a crap load of them. Yet on drag tracks, most STOCK 5.0's I've seen get 12.9/13.2 range.

On paper stats sell cars.

Rui Z

Man, I hope Honda comes out with an S2000 again.

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I don't. Because they'll royally f*ck it up.

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Rui Z

What makes you say that? I like the current Honda CEO. I'm all for finding green solutions, but the last CEO went too far killing off anything related to being sporty. The current CEO is trying to bring the fun back with NSX, F1, Type Rs, etc.

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m4a1mustang

I'll believe it when I see it. I have no faith in Honda to build anything worth driving any time soon.

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I knew when they discontinued the H22 Lude and the GSR was gone I would NEVER go back to Honda. Aside from my DD Accord lol So the thought of them bringing the S2000 back scares me...they left on a high note and should leave it as such.

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Rui Z

If they mess up, they mess up. oh well. Better than not trying and just giving up. The more companies there are making sports cars, the better.

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KERMIT

Said every FRS/BRZ owner

m4a1mustang

It is true. The BRZ isn't a numbers car.

Hell, no car should be a numbers car. Drive a car because you enjoy driving it... not because it puts down numbers.

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