Ford Focus ST Priced < $25k

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-02-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Well this isn't a fanboy thread so we are the other 10%.

Most of us look forward to seeing the outcome of this car in a positive way. Only a couple of posts mocked or down this car.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-02-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The GTI is a nice car, but it's got such a bad stigma (at least around here) that I wouldn't own one.

GTi, civic, bmw and scion have basically the same stigma. Wannabe douchebag types... I would still consider an FRS/ 1/3series and a R32. I don't really care what stigmas people put on cars.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-02-2012, 01:11 PM

Personal preferences aside... One thing we can all agree on is that this focus will bring fun to the everyday guy. It just seems like a well thought out, well built car. I still stand by my test drive and the SE model, which is not fast by any means was a great handler for a FWD. I expect the ST to be even better.

shadoquad · 05-02-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Personal preferences aside... One thing we can all agree on is that this focus will bring fun to the everyday guy. It just seems like a well thought out, well built car. I still stand by my test drive and the SE model, which is not fast by any means was a great handler for a FWD. I expect the ST to be even better.

Agreed, I have high hopes for it.

bdavis89 · 05-02-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Personal preferences aside... One thing we can all agree on is that this focus will bring fun to the everyday guy.

And if its anything like an MS3, a simple tune + cai will get that thing to 300hp.

gsxr750 · 05-02-2012, 03:26 PM

Fords are well known for their shitty quality, overall with most ford vehicles, you can usually get 30k-60k trouble free miles, but after that they start to have all types of problems engine, tranny, broken welds on rear ends, rotting out oil pans and electrical issues.

With Fords you can get some that will go to about 125k -150k on the motors, but they are usually ready for the grave at that point. My brother owned ford trucks from rangers to f150 and f350 deisels, he drives them mostly highway and puts on about 50k per year. Most of the fords he has owned over the last 10yrs, have had major issues

The longest he got was from a ranger pick up run on mobile one and oil changed every 4k miles, after about 120k the truck started loosing power and he did a compression test and most of the cylinders only had 110-120 psi, and the truck would only do 75mph top speed.

Comparing this to his nissan pick up that got 275k miles on castrol gtx and still did 100mph on the high way, he gave it to his girl friend that drove it for another 5 yrs.

The only reason he still buys rangers is that they are cheap and get employee pricing and sells them off every 3 yrs.

I also had a friend that was a fleet manager for a communications company that used ford vans, rangers, taurus, LTD, areostars, f150, escorts and he often told me how many problems they had with the ford vehicles and they were always in for multiple repairs under waranty that even the dealers could not fix them.

The only reason they stayed with fords, was because to vice president's brother inlaw was a sales manager at a local ford dealership and there was nothing they could do till. the VP retired or quit.

There policy was to keep the vehicles for 60k then sell them off to employees or whoesale them back to the dealership.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-02-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr750

Fords are well known for their shitty quality, overall with most ford vehicles, you can usually get 30k-60k trouble free miles, but after that they start to have all types of problems engine, tranny, broken welds on rear ends, rotting out oil pans and electrical issues.

With Fords you can get some that will go to about 125k -150k on the motors, but they are usually ready for the grave at that point. My brother owned ford trucks from rangers to f150 and f350 deisels, he drives them mostly highway and puts on about 50k per year. Most of the fords he has owned over the last 10yrs, have had major issues

The longest he got was from a ranger pick up run on mobile one and oil changed every 4k miles, after about 120k the truck started loosing power and he did a compression test and most of the cylinders only had 110-120 psi, and the truck would only do 75mph top speed.

Comparing this to his nissan pick up that got 275k miles on castrol gtx and still did 100mph on the high way, he gave it to his girl friend that drove it for another 5 yrs.

The only reason he still buys rangers is that they are cheap and get employee pricing and sells them off every 3 yrs.

I also had a friend that was a fleet manager for a communications company that used ford vans, rangers, taurus, LTD, areostars, f150, escorts and he often told me how many problems they had with the ford vehicles and they were always in for multiple repairs under waranty that even the dealers could not fix them.

The only reason they stayed with fords, was because to vice president's brother inlaw was a sales manager at a local ford dealership and there was nothing they could do till. the VP retired or quit.

There policy was to keep the vehicles for 60k then sell them off to employees or whoesale them back to the dealership.

They been changing this little by little since 2004. First the focus, then the fusion, and now many cars are fairly reliable. Yes there are still quirks in some fords, but not enough to call it unreliable to the same degree as once before. Although the v6 mustang is the anti-tuner car. The GT has proven to be up there in quality. By 2015. I expect all models to meet the standards of germany and japan. Ford is doing better in quality than GM and chrysler thus far.

Pauly · 05-04-2012, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

They been changing this little by little since 2004. First the focus, then the fusion, and now many cars are fairly reliable. Yes there are still quirks in some fords, but not enough to call it unreliable to the same degree as once before. Although the v6 mustang is the anti-tuner car. The GT has proven to be up there in quality. By 2015. I expect all models to meet the standards of germany and japan. Ford is doing better in quality than GM and chrysler thus far.

you're right, gm and chrysler are falling behind in comparison to ford IMHO. i dont think ford is done failing, however, lol. from 2003 to 2007, f250, f350, f450, f550, and ford excursions with the 6.0 power stroke diesel engine have had tons of recorded issues with:

engine failure
engine gad recirculation (egr) valve and cooler failure
failure of injectors
failure of head gaskets
loss of engine power
engine coolant entering engine's ventalation system (WTF?!)
failure of oil cooler.
come on ford!!

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-04-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pauly

you're right, gm and chrysler are falling behind in comparison to ford IMHO. i dont think ford is done failing, however, lol. from 2003 to 2007, f250, f350, f450, f550, and ford excursions with the 6.0 power stroke diesel engine have had tons of recorded issues with:

engine failure
engine gad recirculation (egr) valve and cooler failure
failure of injectors
failure of head gaskets
loss of engine power
engine coolant entering engine's ventalation system (WTF?!)
failure of oil cooler.
come on ford!!

Damn... I knew about the unjector failure and loss of engine power, but not the others. Do you know the ratio between these problems and reliable cars?

m4a1mustang · 05-02-2012, 03:30 PM

Niche79 · 05-02-2012, 03:33 PM

I think its a good looking car for the buck your paying. I was always a die hard Honda fan for years on end till the 2000s when they started going down hill in looks and quality. Id be open to look at one of these if I was in a need for a fun 4 door DD. My attention has definitely been caught by Hyundai in the last few years though but for a fun 4 door hatch, id go swing by and look at this. Then again, id look at the Mazda 3 speed as well but I think the ford looks better.

m4a1mustang · 05-02-2012, 03:40 PM

repped for being a good sport

DLSTR · 05-02-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

repped for being a good sport

Danke

! You dance well!! LOL

m4a1mustang · 05-02-2012, 05:36 PM

The new V6 Mustang is actually pretty sweet as far as the aftermarket goes.

FL 4Motion · 05-02-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The new V6 Mustang is actually pretty sweet as far as the aftermarket goes.

you just love to

don'tcha?

PS--I do really like the new taurus SHO.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	Personal preferences aside... One thing we can all agree on is that this focus will bring fun to the everyday guy. It just seems like a well thought out, well built car. I still stand by my test drive and the SE model, which is not fast by any means was a great handler for a FWD. I expect the ST to be even better.

05-02-2012, 03:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
gsxr750 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: west Posts: 443 Drives: 2012 370z man. sport Rep Power: 14	Fords are well known for their shitty quality, overall with most ford vehicles, you can usually get 30k-60k trouble free miles, but after that they start to have all types of problems engine, tranny, broken welds on rear ends, rotting out oil pans and electrical issues. With Fords you can get some that will go to about 125k -150k on the motors, but they are usually ready for the grave at that point. My brother owned ford trucks from rangers to f150 and f350 deisels, he drives them mostly highway and puts on about 50k per year. Most of the fords he has owned over the last 10yrs, have had major issues The longest he got was from a ranger pick up run on mobile one and oil changed every 4k miles, after about 120k the truck started loosing power and he did a compression test and most of the cylinders only had 110-120 psi, and the truck would only do 75mph top speed. Comparing this to his nissan pick up that got 275k miles on castrol gtx and still did 100mph on the high way, he gave it to his girl friend that drove it for another 5 yrs. The only reason he still buys rangers is that they are cheap and get employee pricing and sells them off every 3 yrs. I also had a friend that was a fleet manager for a communications company that used ford vans, rangers, taurus, LTD, areostars, f150, escorts and he often told me how many problems they had with the ford vehicles and they were always in for multiple repairs under waranty that even the dealers could not fix them. The only reason they stayed with fords, was because to vice president's brother inlaw was a sales manager at a local ford dealership and there was nothing they could do till. the VP retired or quit. There policy was to keep the vehicles for 60k then sell them off to employees or whoesale them back to the dealership.

05-02-2012, 03:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
Niche79 Track Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Kissimmee, FL Posts: 900 Drives: '09 SR Tour/Sprt/Nav Rep Power: 37	I think its a good looking car for the buck your paying. I was always a die hard Honda fan for years on end till the 2000s when they started going down hill in looks and quality. Id be open to look at one of these if I was in a need for a fun 4 door DD. My attention has definitely been caught by Hyundai in the last few years though but for a fun 4 door hatch, id go swing by and look at this. Then again, id look at the Mazda 3 speed as well but I think the ford looks better.