Ford Focus ST Priced < $25k

kenchan · 05-01-2012, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Nissan is really good at controlling torque steer. And in the 13 altima. They are adding understeer control as well. If Ford copies this type of tech? It could be a dream to drive? Possibly?

huh... i thought i saw on edmunds(?) review that the current maxima has some level of torque steer when launched.

how does the understeer control work? by brake distribution?

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-01-2012, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

huh... i thought i saw on edmunds(?) review that the current maxima has some level of torque steer when launched.

how does the understeer control work? by brake distribution?

Maximas are worse handlers than altimas, believe it or not. Not as reliable either. Maximas basically have more looks. I'm not sure how understeer is controlled specifically, but its description sounds like its computer controlled. Possibly through braking? Let me see if I can find the altima spec sheet again online.

Pauly · 05-02-2012, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Maximas are worse handlers than altimas, believe it or not. Not as reliable either. Maximas basically have more looks. I'm not sure how understeer is controlled specifically, but its description sounds like its computer controlled. Possibly through braking? Let me see if I can find the altima spec sheet again online.

sorry dude, but i have to disagree 100%.
im on my third, and i beat the piss out of the first two without a single issue. reliability cant be touched, from my own experience. the altima, on the other hand, has issues in several departments. my cousin has a brand new one with a failing transmission, broken sunroof, etc. my wifes friend also had one with transmission problem and other issues. i like the altima, but there is a reason it cost more to get in a max. its a better car.

as far as the torque steer thing, the max has plenty of it, sure. its got a ton of power. but it didnt happen on launch. straight line i have minimal left / right sway. however, step on it to pass while turning the wheel to switch lanes? better hold on with both hands! this is when torque steer is bad.

m4a1mustang · 05-01-2012, 02:35 PM

Lifted from Nissan "A Nissan first, the 2013 Altima is equipped with Active Understeer Control (AUC) to give you a smooth, controlled, and comfortable ride. The system senses understeer and oversteer and subtly applies braking power to the inside wheels when you are turning, giving you sharper handling in all conditions."

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-01-2012, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Lifted from Nissan "A Nissan first, the 2013 Altima is equipped with Active Understeer Control (AUC) to give you a smooth, controlled, and comfortable ride. The system senses understeer and oversteer and subtly applies braking power to the inside wheels when you are turning, giving you sharper handling in all conditions."

Thanks

http://www.nissanusa.com/all-new-alt...ecs/25_sv.html

The new altima is bad azz... me like

kenchan · 05-01-2012, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Maximas are worse handlers than altimas, believe it or not. Not as reliable either. Maximas basically have more looks. I'm not sure how understeer is controlled specifically, but its description sounds like its computer controlled. Possibly through braking? Let me see if I can find the altima spec sheet again online.

huh, always thought maximas were superior to altima's but guess not any more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Lifted from Nissan "A Nissan first, the 2013 Altima is equipped with Active Understeer Control (AUC) to give you a smooth, controlled, and comfortable ride. The system senses understeer and oversteer and subtly applies braking power to the inside wheels when you are turning, giving you sharper handling in all conditions."

thanks, mustang. yah, applying brakes would help. do you guys remember back in the days when honda had the prelude-SH? that was the other way, i think, where the drive train applied more power to the outer wheels when turning.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-01-2012, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

huh, always thought maximas were superior to altima's but guess not any more.

thanks, mustang. yah, applying brakes would help. do you guys remember back in the days when honda had the prelude-SH? that was the other way, i think, where the drive train applied more power to the outer wheels when turning.

Maximas giive you more luxury and better styling. Altimas are much lighter and equipped with a 3.5. Are faster and take corners better.

m4a1mustang · 05-01-2012, 02:42 PM

In my experience the Maxima is pretty damn stout. I'm thoroughly impressed with that car... especially the handling. Altima? Not so much.

GM_Traitor3.5's Maxima kicks a lot of butt. Especially now since it's on Eibachs and Super Sports. Last year on the stock all-seasons we did a Dragon run with him, me, Red__Zed, and shadoquad (total ~4800lbs) and didn't die. What a rush. Kudos to Nissan for building a really nice, fun sedan.

kenchan · 05-01-2012, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

In my experience the Maxima is pretty damn stout. I'm thoroughly impressed with that car... especially the handling. Altima? Not so much.

GM_Traitor3.5's Maxima kicks a lot of butt. Especially now since it's on Eibachs and Super Sports. Last year on the stock all-seasons we did a Dragon run with him, me, Red__Zed, and shadoquad (total ~4800lbs) and didn't die. What a rush. Kudos to Nissan for building a really nice, fun sedan.

Mt Tam I am · 05-01-2012, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

In my experience the Maxima is pretty damn stout. I'm thoroughly impressed with that car... especially the handling. Altima? Not so much.

GM_Traitor3.5's Maxima kicks a lot of butt. Especially now since it's on Eibachs and Super Sports. Last year on the stock all-seasons we did a Dragon run with him, me, Red__Zed, and shadoquad (total ~4800lbs) and didn't die. What a rush. Kudos to Nissan for building a really nice, fun sedan.

Perhaps we are setting the bar too low for a proper comparison. Thus far every car I've been in meets this survival standard.

Red__Zed · 05-01-2012, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

Perhaps we are setting the bar too low for a proper comparison. Thus far every car I've been in meets this survival standard.

You don't understand the dragon at night.

There's deer, and there's turns, and there are 240sx's with drift ornaments and stickers that say fwd sucks.

And then there are people in very heavy Maximas with something to prove.

shadoquad · 05-01-2012, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

In my experience the Maxima is pretty damn stout. I'm thoroughly impressed with that car... especially the handling. Altima? Not so much.

GM_Traitor3.5's Maxima kicks a lot of butt. Especially now since it's on Eibachs and Super Sports. Last year on the stock all-seasons we did a Dragon run with him, me, Red__Zed, and shadoquad (total ~4800lbs) and didn't die. What a rush. Kudos to Nissan for building a really nice, fun sedan.

I'd like to point out that it was the four of us plus the car that weighed that much, not just me...

m4a1mustang · 05-01-2012, 02:44 PM

Though the new Altima does look really nice. They keep making it more and more like the Maxima.

brucelidat · 05-01-2012, 02:48 PM

the 2013 is supposed to get some pretty mileage as well, pretty close to compacts like corollas, civics, and focuses.

kenchan · 05-01-2012, 02:53 PM

so the 2013's is the new re-designed altima they started showing?

you can tell i dont know much about sedans. hahaha.

05-01-2012, 02:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Lifted from Nissan "A Nissan first, the 2013 Altima is equipped with Active Understeer Control (AUC) to give you a smooth, controlled, and comfortable ride. The system senses understeer and oversteer and subtly applies braking power to the inside wheels when you are turning, giving you sharper handling in all conditions." __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

05-01-2012, 02:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	In my experience the Maxima is pretty damn stout. I'm thoroughly impressed with that car... especially the handling. Altima? Not so much. GM_Traitor3.5's Maxima kicks a lot of butt. Especially now since it's on Eibachs and Super Sports. Last year on the stock all-seasons we did a Dragon run with him, me, Red__Zed, and shadoquad (total ~4800lbs) and didn't die. What a rush. Kudos to Nissan for building a really nice, fun sedan. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

05-01-2012, 02:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Though the new Altima does look really nice. They keep making it more and more like the Maxima. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

05-01-2012, 02:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 32	the 2013 is supposed to get some pretty mileage as well, pretty close to compacts like corollas, civics, and focuses. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
2012 Ford Focus Coupé on its way	Kenny	Other Vehicles	25	06-26-2012 08:17 PM
priced right for 2012?	Pauly	Nissan 370Z Pricing / Ordering Discussions	4	03-08-2012 10:40 AM
'12 Nismo Priced well?	Gauge	Nissan 370Z Pricing / Ordering Discussions	10	02-25-2012 03:02 PM
Mikko Hirvonen Tests WRC Ford Focus, BEASTY!!!!	andrewP	The Lounge (Off Topic)	0	07-24-2010 12:49 PM
Ford Focus RS Tops Nissan GT-R In "Real World" Test	AK370Z	Other Vehicles	23	05-07-2009 09:35 PM

05-01-2012, 02:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141522	so the 2013's is the new re-designed altima they started showing? you can tell i dont know much about sedans. hahaha.