Will you trade for a Toyota 86/Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ?
 

How many of you 370z owners like the Toyota 86/Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ ?

Do you think you will trade in or sell your 370z once you've had a test-drive ?

Where do your loyalties lie ? Is a certain brand/car in your heart ?


I think one missing ingredient in the 86 is power
will this matter with such light weight and low center of gravity ?

am interested in hearing what you guys think about this car ^

I've been following it in the other cars forum but don't see myself selling the Z for that thing.
Its a dd at best for me.

I think it is rather disappointing. I expected much better mpg for its engine. Ours gets the same mileage and is a much better preformer

No I would not sell my Z for the F86 I would rater have a preowned Cayman, 911 or a new Audi TT

I'm loyal to what works, and none of those cars tempt me. If I wanted a slow car with great balance, I would just get an rx8.

If and when I sell mine, the next one will be a GT3 or another Corvette!

:iagree:

It is underpowered also -- at least for now. Having a backseat kills the deal anyway for me.

I'll test drive it when it comes out, but probably won't buy one until they bring a high power version to the table

This, the car was doing well during the rumors but the final product has fallen flat overall. Plus even if a turbo version comes I would not trade in my Z, the BR-Z would become my DD.

honest replies, thanks.

the other missing ingredient is good looks

the 370z is gorgeous

Initially, it will be a huge seller for Toyota. Expect wait lists at every dealer, as it will be the new cool car for teens and other entry level buyers, and there is a lot of pent-up demand for an affordable RWD car from Toyota/Honda.

However, at $28000, it is on the top edge of being called "affordable", and if Toyota follows its normal path, it will move the price upmarket each year until it is an expensive "premium" car, and sales go flat, at which point it will be killed. (see "MR2")

Short answer: not a car I am interested in with only 200hp or so. By the time it has decent power, its a $35k+ car, and then my choices would be 370Z, Camaro SS, Mustang GT, or a whole lot full of slightly used Boxster, Corvette C6, etc.

It looks like a fun car. however I have too much into the Z to stop and move to a different platform. I will stay with the z34 Nismo for a few more years.

I'm actually waiting for turbo 4 cylinder powered Porsche Boxster to come out. That will likely be my next new car.

it's a decent little car but no z. the z was/is my dream car. will only ever change when I can afford an R8. :nutswinger:

It only weighs something like 2600 lbs. That should be a massive power-to-weight ratio. Mustang drivers...sheesh :shakes head: :icon17:

Honestly, though, the front-end looks like a 370Z. That alone turns me off to the thing.

I used to buy nothing but Toyotas. I had three Celicas and assorted other models.

The unfortunate thing about Toyota is that they dropped anything even resembling a sports car. This new one is no exception.
You've got the Lexus LF-A on one end and these pocket-rockets on the other end and nothing in the middle like the Supra used to be.

I loved all of my Toyotas, especially the dependability. I put 152,000 miles on one car, hit a telephone poll dead-center and the engine still ran like a top.
My days of driving zippy 4 poppers is over. As much as I want to like this car, I can't see myself driving one.

That Supra, at least the last model, has pretty much reached cult status at this point. I agree, my 4-cylinder days are ovah! Unless gasoline goes to $6/gallon, of course. :icon17: or unless we're talking about my motorcycles :tup:

I think its great progress in the auto world. We need more low priced quick RWD cars. Maybe once the turbo version comes out more people will like the idea of a tiny engine in a RWD sports car. But I would not sell my Z for it. Its not in the same class as the Z and more then likely never will be.

The biggest problem with the last gen Supra and even the Celicas and MR2s, was the price. They couldn't sell the things because they were so frickin' expensive. I looked at a '92 MR2 when it was new and the dealer wanted $32,000 for it. Walked away quickly.

$32K for a Mister Two? :eek:

I suspect higher output cars will weigh more than 2600 lbs. But it will still be a lighter car than most everything else in the lower dollar range sport coupes. Styling is still off for me. Sort of one part power ranger and one part boring Toyota sedan.

:icon17: And also two parts 2 different manufacturers giving styling input. The whole thing just looks...wrong.

as it sits, it has more than 13 lbs/horse
the Z carries only a little over 10 lbs/horse (mustang in the range of 8)

This thing needs more goose to be impressive IMO. Right now, I think an S2K will be leaving it around the track pretty readily...but I'll wait and see how the suspension tuning is. Adding power is easy, fixing dynamics is hard.

i liked small, underpowered, teen cars the first time they came out and were called miatas. im sry but subaru completely dropped the ball on this one. most of the subie guys dont even respect this thing. in what market does toyota, subie think they are going after with this $28k car..?

:iagree: While i was pretty young (say about 6-7) at that point in life, I have done research on the MR-2 when i owned one. I think a lot of people forget (or never knew) just how much these cars cost new off the lot back in the day when they were new. If I was looking for a second car though, I think I would be looking at one of these, assuming that I could find a used one for less than 25k. But I'm definitely not trading the Z for this. (this is made on the assumption that I would be getting a second car at least a year after these are released)

So, it's viewed as a downgrade, rather than a level trade or swap.

Can't see myself going back to a four banger again. In the looks dept the 86 is just ok. The Z has the power AND looks. So, in short..a resounding NO!

Can't wait for this to come out. I'm also looking forward to the new miata thats supposed to come out in early 2013. I like the FRS, but if the miata turns out to really be 2,200 lbs then I would get the miata instead of the FRS.

Wouldn't think of trading the Z for the 86. However once the Z's paid off I'd definitely consider trading my tC for it.

I was watching the 86 for a while. I liked it a lot when they showed the black concept a few years ago. Then when they releases the newer Scion version concept, I was turned off. It was overdone and too much. I could maybe drive it if I was 20, not 30. Now that they have shots of the actual production car, it seems they have toned it back a bit too much. It's okay but not wow or anything. Also, the rear looks like a complete BMW rip off ox the z3 (I think).

When i bought the Z, I was tempted to wait for this and was afraid it might be a Z killer. I thought it would be a turbo 4 with Mazda3 like numbers but with RWD for around 25k which would have been great. Now that we know more about it, I am pretty disappointed (in it, but glad I got the Z). If I didn't have a Z and needed a zippy DD, I would consider this depending on where its price actually lands.

I would definietly not consider this an upgrade though as the thread title suggests, more like a consolation prize if the Z is out of your budget.

If I really needed rear seats and didn't want to spend much but wanted something fun to drive still, I might considering trading for this if I had to trade the Z anyway, but def not as an upgrade. Although if they litter the roads like civics and are mostly driven by women and under 21 guys, my opinion may change. Ideally, I'd rather have my girlfriend trade her civic coupe in for this, haha.

We'll have to test-drive it to make final judgements. . .

That"s true, but even it handles and feels amazing, I think I would be yearning for more power. If it's anywhere in the high 20s, though, I think it will be overpriced. i also here Subie engines have a tendency to blow on the track so I'm not sure about an underpowered car designed to handle on the track, but with an engine that is unreliable on the track. FI this car though and it could be an awesome DD.

No no and NO

I think the collabo was awesome and toyobaru did a great job in making a well balanced RWD vehicle. But its in no way shape or form a competitor or in the same family of the type of motorsports the Z puts out. Its not an alternative. Its the kind of car you add to the stable or you dismiss altogether.

Within minutes of driving....you'd be all like.....
http://blog.wtfconcept.com/wp-conten.../moar-baby.jpg

well, I just bought my Z and I can barely save money...lol
Soo...nah. Im not fed up with the Z yet

No thank you

However, the number are not there. It might be a good HS graduation present for my daughter to go to college or a DD.

200HP, no way Jose... :shakes head:

Also will see what is the price at the stealerships.... :confused:

Kind of a pointless thread on a 370z site. Why would you ask people driving an attractive, fun RWD sports car if they'd trade it in for a (subjectively) worse looking, less powerful RWD car?

Perhaps a better ques would be "would you trade your current DD in for the Toyota 86"? You might have gotten some diff responses. Not so much on my part because my Z is my DD.