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honda's finest to be a 3.5 V6? and 400bhp? what are they thinking.. latest GTR is good for 530hp out of the box and runs 3.8ltr twin turbo. Honda needs

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Old 01-02-2012, 06:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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honda's finest to be a 3.5 V6? and 400bhp? what are they thinking.. latest GTR is good for 530hp out of the box and runs 3.8ltr twin turbo.

Honda needs to get its head out of its xxx and wake up to reality...

and the styling???? most are gonna call it an R8 copy..
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Old 01-02-2012, 08:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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honda's finest to be a 3.5 V6? and 400bhp? what are they thinking.. latest GTR is good for 530hp out of the box and runs 3.8ltr twin turbo.

Honda needs to get its head out of its xxx and wake up to reality...

and the styling???? most are gonna call it an R8 copy..
It's Honda... what do you expect? They've always been underpowered and they have never really been unique in their styling. The original NSX was really the only car that ever stood out.
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It's Honda... what do you expect? They've always been underpowered and they have never really been unique in their styling. The original NSX was really the only car that ever stood out.
C'mon, the S2000 was far from underpowered for what it was. It was just as fast as the mustang GT's of its time with their V8's and squishy suspensions. Beat the boxter, too, IIRC. Was nearly as fast as the Rev-up 350Z with a V6.
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C'mon, the S2000 was far from underpowered for what it was. It was just as fast as the mustang GT's of its time with their V8's and squishy suspensions. Beat the boxter, too, IIRC. Was nearly as fast as the Rev-up 350Z with a V6.
FWIW, S2000 is exempt from my Honda bashing.
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FWIW, S2000 is exempt from my Honda bashing.
So...what are you bashing? The NSX is STILL an awesome car, about like a C5 with better feel and much better interior/driver orientation.
The S2000 was great/is great.

What other sports car has Honda made recently? Are you trying to say a civic is under-powered? That their family-car/econo-car isn't fast?
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never drove an NSX but the s2000 was sweet.. even though underpowered..

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FWIW, S2000 is exempt from my Honda bashing.
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honda's finest to be a 3.5 V6? and 400bhp? what are they thinking.. latest GTR is good for 530hp out of the box and runs 3.8ltr twin turbo.

Honda needs to get its head out of its xxx and wake up to reality...

and the styling???? most are gonna call it an R8 copy..
Depends where it comes in on price, if it's 20K less then a GT-R...
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Depends where it comes in on price, if it's 20K less then a GT-R...
IF this new nsx comes in at a 60 to 70K price point, i could see this selling, but it's performance is still going to leave a lot to be desired when you start looking at similarly priced cars -- GT500, C6/C7 vette etc.

R8 copy or not, I think that rendering looks good, but it's just going to be too far down on power/performance for what I'm expecting them to really charge for it (80-100K) to ever consider it.
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[QUOTE=FL 4Motion;1472644]IF this new nsx comes in at a 60 to 70K price point, i could see this selling, but it's performance is still going to leave a lot to be desired when you start looking at similarly priced cars -- GT500, C6/C7 vette etc.QUOTE]

True, the 20k less would put it into even more compition as you mentioned...well nevermind then. At least it looks not too bad.
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IF this new nsx comes in at a 60 to 70K price point, i could see this selling, but it's performance is still going to leave a lot to be desired when you start looking at similarly priced cars -- GT500, C6/C7 vette etc.QUOTE]

True, the 20k less would put it into even more compition as you mentioned...well nevermind then. At least it looks not too bad.
If it was at least 500hp and came in at around 100K, it'd be a hit I think, to be taken seriously nowadays in the supercar world, you NEED to be packing at least 500hp. Anything less and you're just a plain jane sports car and there's plenty of those around for a lot less coin. (exception to the rule: lotus type cars that are super duper lightweight and can get away with less hp).
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If it was at least 500hp and came in at around 100K, it'd be a hit I think, to be taken seriously nowadays in the supercar world, you NEED to be packing at least 500hp. Anything less and you're just a plain jane sports car and there's plenty of those around for a lot less coin. (exception to the rule: lotus type cars that are super duper lightweight and can get away with less hp).
Yeah 500 min, and under 3300LBS. with the right price.
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hopefully honda wont make only 500 copies of it, market it as an "exclusive" supercar, and price it above ferraris and lamborghinis like that certain other japanese car maker, the one notorious for making boring transportation appliances with stuck throttle pedals
For the record the faulty component that caused the stuck throttle was designed and manufactured by an AMERICAN company. The Denso made components for the Japanese manufactured cars were never a problem just the US made ones. FWIW

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Yeah 500 min, and under 3300LBS. with the right price.
Depending on how the hybrid system is implemented this magic 500 hp may not be as bad as it sounds. If they use electric motors to actually drive the wheels then that's gonna be one hell of a flat torque curve.
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IF this new nsx comes in at a 60 to 70K price point, i could see this selling, but it's performance is still going to leave a lot to be desired when you start looking at similarly priced cars -- GT500, C6/C7 vette etc.

R8 copy or not, I think that rendering looks good, but it's just going to be too far down on power/performance for what I'm expecting them to really charge for it (80-100K) to ever consider it.
If it weighs 2700# it will be fine. Remember, the original NSX set some records for construction/weight. Further, consider the quality.
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If it weighs 2700# it will be fine. Remember, the original NSX set some records for construction/weight. Further, consider the quality.
/\ oh no doubt. I just am a bit skeptical about it being a super lightweight car since they stated hybrid tech in there. Now, to get that super lightweight and still be a hybrid, they it will probably be more like a 150-200K car.

yeah, I still love the old NSXs, a timeless car imo.
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If it weighs 2700# it will be fine. Remember, the original NSX set some records for construction/weight. Further, consider the quality.
unlikely it will weigh anywhere near that unless it was the size of a tin can, or a lotus elise, not that there's much difference between them

The other alternative is using exotic materials, mainly carbon fibre. but that will price it right out of the market, unless honda is willing to eat up a huge loss on each car. Even then it still won't meet that weight target. The mp 4-12c also uses extensive carbon fibre structures in its frame, yet still weighs a bit over 3000 pounds.
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