OK stay on topic. This thread is not getting locked.

Yeah CAFE standards are raining down the hurt in a couple years.

But ZR1, ZL1, GT500, GTR, 911, the fact that we have the choice of these cars is a testament to the current golden age of performance vehicles. Lets enjoy it while it lasts.

and let me say that the new GT500 is an extremely impressive vehicle.:tup:

Am I mistaken? Can one not say, "Are there any American cars with an FR layout, a snarling V8 with over 600 hp, capable of 200+ mph," and come up with the ZR-1, ZL-1, and GT500?

Now, again, the Shelby is aiming at the Camaro, and is closer in every respect. But the filthily expensive super vette is on that list.

650hp and 600lb-ft :eek:

Good God! That's a lot of power for something with a warranty.

Ok so what size and width wheels and tires or we looking at for the GT500?

I was responding to your opinion with my own. Didn't mean to derail.

Still no independent rear?

I don't care how much power it has... I won't buy one until it has that. I will be keeping my eyes open for the 50th anniversary planned for 2014. THAT is going to be awesome.

You can't say that, because the ZL1 runs out of steam at 184 mph.

I was directing my post at Dan.

Really?! I hadn't actually heard that before.

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That's interesting. *scratches chin pensively*

I like the rear lights. I think ford needs to scrap the key and go with a Nissan key and push button start. fords got it in lower end cars.

Over all the 2012 and 2013 look the same for the GT500. I think the 5.0/boss/base now look too close to the GT500. Originally the complaint from the old STV owners was that there was little to differentiate the GT from the STV.

Who needs 200 mph? Well I guess you could ask who needs 155 mph?

I was just reading about the GT500 today. HOLY $#!t!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It looks beast I must say. I also saw the ZL1. They say the Camaro is gonna be about 55k I think. WOW, 55k for a Camaro, crazy. I didnt see pricing for the GT500, was it announced? Im sure it will be comparable to the Camaro. Big power in those boys, they are gonna be sick.

I would never have thought a decade ago that anyone would ever spend 50k on a Mustang or Camaro, but even more shocking to me is that people would spend 120k on a Corvette.

It's very funny to me, but I can understand the cost from a performance standpoint.

Also keep in mind that $50k today is not the same as $50k ten years ago.

Troof!

How about $35k on a GT and $22k on a V6? They've all gone up.

$50k is still a lot even if you take inflation into account. The interesting part is that these cars are still a pretty good bargain for what you get.

Real inflation or officially recorded Keynesian inflation? ;)

Hey i'm really wanting to know, not being a azz.

Not sure if this is a option or standard.

Second-generation Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperCar tires mounted on 19-inch front and 20-inch rear forged aluminum wheels.

Looks like a beast!

Properly setup, i doubt there will be much difference on the track between the two. Ford has had quite a long time to perfect their live axle and on a nice smooth track is where it will be able to really shine. On the street is a different story though and I would give the edge to the Camaro.

People make too big of a deal out of the live axle setup. There is no difference in behavior on the street with my 5.0s rear suspension compared to my 370Z. I think the live axle just gets a bad reputation because for a while they were really, really bad. But now with the new ones people are having a hard time coming to grips with the fact they are actually very good when done right -- on the street or the track.

True, having read a few books on suspension design, a live axle can be made to handle just as well as an independent suspension. In fact, in some aspects the Solid axle is actually much better than any independent suspension.

If the solid rear axle is so crippling to Mustangs, go whip a 2011 GT around a racing circuit stock for stock and get back to me.

I'm really really digging this new gt500. I predict a 7:32 ring time or there abouts which is damn impressive.

I may be misunderstanding you, but I didn't say there is anything wrong with a Solid axle

None of my comments were directed at you, Skeeter. Just generalizing.

I think people are just gonna bang that drum until ford put IRS (+$5000) on the mustang.

The negative behaviors created by a live axle are often similar to, but less severe than, the behaviors generated by most sway bars. Almost any irs car setup to drive will feel the same as a car with a live axle.

Obvious fanboy is obvious

My understanding is that the SRA is just more difficult to learn that an IRS. Which would make it heavily driver dependant....unlike cheap interiors*cough*corvettes*

Of course we all know FWD>the rest of the world combined :stirthepot:

No, I was actually agreeing with you and Steve. The SRA argument is old and tired.

This is a cool read if you are interested: 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 Specs and First Ride- 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 Release ? RoadandTrack.com

Shaun Bailey from Road & Track got to hang out with the SVT engineering team for a day during development at the Nurburgring back in June, and had to keep his mouth shut 'til November 14th. :icon17:

Meh, still a Mustang.
Though thanks for killing the ZL1 Ford before it even hit the streets. :tup:

See now that's the problem (and why ford almost stopped making the mustang several times). No matter what car ford puts on the road people will say its still a mustang.

Ford could built a 2 seat, midengined, twin turboed, AWD, 800 HP, "true sports car"; but as soon as the galloping pony goes on the car someones gonna say "Meh, it's still a mustang".

All I know is that Meh mustang is kicking the crap out of my Z for equal or less money.

Amar I see you lurking. I meant to text you earlier to tell you to hold off on the 2012. :icon17:

Viper + '13 GT500 = WINNING!

People say "meh, it's just a Mustang" much like many people say, "meh, it's just a NISSAN." At the end of the day it really doesn't matter what they think.

Here is the thing, 'Meh it is just a Mustang' is because the Shelby GT500 really is just a Mustang with a blower and suspension tweaks. I agree they do a great job taking the platform and improving upon it, but my statement is at the end of the day the GT500 is nothing more than a Mustang.

Now if ford made your 2 seat, AWD, 800HP car you listed, then that would be something completely different on a new platform.