So should I get the 2013 GT500 or the IRS equipped GT?

I'd get a 13 if you like it. You can always trade.

No telling what the irs car will look like.

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You owned both a 370z and Mustang

Is the difference between the IRS and SRA really that much of a difference?

No.

I've seen your pics on the dragon. Even there you don't miss IRS?

Whether I ran the panhard bar setup or the watts link I never had issues with rear end composure over bumps and rough surfaces. And trust me, we have a lot of that to contend with here.

The Z's rear suspension has its own issues with dynamic toe and other things as do many of other cars. IRS does not just magically make a car better... it has to be good.

And if it's good, you've got the benefits of independent rear wheel control (doh), camber adjustment, *typically* better rear tire wear, etc. Ideally a good IRS setup will allow you to maximize contact patch moreso than an SRA, but again, it all depends on setup.

The Mustang is good and does just fine with an SRA. If you don't like the panhard arc you can get a Watts Link (I love mine) but I am definitely not left wanting IRS. My car handles bumps like a champ and hooks up really well. I'm happy with it.

But I definitely welcome the move to IRS. As long as it's a good one it gives us more options.

Not at all. The car is properly set up. It's got grip and it's got balance. IRS wouldn't necessarily make it any better or any worse. I was not left wanting.

So which cars around the price of ours or a step up actually have a good IRS setup?

Most of them. The Z's is good. Not saying it's not.

But it doesn't make as much of a difference in handling compared to the SRA on the Mustang as many people are brainwashed to believe.

The primary benefit to me with an IRS is less unsprung weight and the ability to run some rear camber. I'd love to run -1 or -1.5 rear camber on the Mustang.

So the rear camber on the mustang is like 0?

Yep.

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I'm just gonna wait for the car that isn't limited by physics

GTR isn't limited by physics.

So a used GTR 2009 or 2010 or a 2013 Gt500?

Whatever you want, man!

Thats not an answer.

Me personnally I'd take new over used 99% of the time. Youngest child syndrome

If you need me to tell you what car to get you've got some problems! You should be able to decide on your own. :)

I edited my post. Read again.

I say GT-R that's just me.

If I was buying a used GTR I'd want to see all of the service history and meet the previous owner. Wouldn't want one that was abused!

I also hear that maintenance on the GTR is crazy expensive.

And take a look at the data logs. I'll most likely be getting a used GT-R in the future so I will have to deal with all of this. Vapiano was lucky, he found one that was essentially babied. Never launched and the highest speed it was ever driven was like 93 mph.

I've passed 93 mph in my Z!

Me too!

I know Ford announced a starting price in the mid-50's, but talked to a real good friend who works at a Ford Dealership in NH. He said they're MSRP'ed at 65 easily when they hit lots. I asked if that was due to options, and he said, "Yeah, but a lot of them get ordered with every option to optimize profit."

So, I'm guessing you'd have to special order one or get really lucky if you expect to pay less than 60. Anyone seen them cheaper on lots? Also, I realize MSRP is just where negotiations begin.

They start at $54k without the SVT Performance Package. If I got one I'd get the SVT Performance Package. It includes all of the extra cooling, electronic dampers, Recaros, etc.

Honestly, I doubt you'll find one under 60K. Even at 60K the car is a bargain. The MSRP on my 2010 was 61K (mine has every single option you can get) so 60K for a 2013 should not really be a surprise.

Also, since the 2013's are hard to get, dealers are adding premiums and people are paying the premium which I disagree with. Once the comparisons start coming out and the car shows improved performance over the 2010-12's it will draw an even higher demand. I will say, don't be fooled by the crappy times you see for the 10's - 12's the tires SUCK! 0-60 in 4.3 is with the car spinning 1st through 3rd gear so, trust me when the tires hook, the car is stupid fast.

I considered a GT-R but honestly, the maintenance cost is just too high for me. I personally admire a nice car, I'm not a brand fan boy. Personally, whether it is an import or domestic if it's fast and is done right I have no problems giving someone the thumbs up. That and let's face it...there is always something faster out there.

The SVT performance package is $3500
Torsen Dif
Painted rims
Electronic dampers
Unique springs
unique shift knob
Unique instrument cluster

The SVT Track Pack is $3000

Oil cooler
Dif Cooke with pump
Trans cooler with pump

Recaros $1600
Glass roof $2000
Electronic package $2340


The GT500 with those options is $67.5k

I'd get all the options. Though I probably wouldn't get NAV. Don't need that ****.

I'd either get it all or none. Well I'm still not sold on the recaros, with loosing power seats and heat option

I wouldn't put glass roof as a necessity either.

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Stock seats SUCK. Recaros or bust.

Ah yeah didn't notice that. I wouldn't get Navi or glass roof.

So now it's down to $63k.

See this is a car that I will drive everyday. I place a premium on comforts too. It's gonna cost me but the glass roof and nav are important to me. The recaros I like but you loose comfort (power / heat). They really cooler than the stock seats though.

Recaros are more comfortable.

Also the base car MSRP is around $5k above invoice with 3% holdback over that.

Meet me in KS City and show me how much better the recaros are.

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I would say that even at 55k, the car is a "performance bargain". It's unbelievable performance for the dollar, realizing that most people aren't car enthusiasts and would consider 55k for a hopped up anything a ripoff.

Even at 67k with full options, you are still getting a car that will go 200mph for half the cost of a ZR-1, and well less than R8's, Ferraris, etc. It's 35k less than a GTR.

I was simply hoping that Fiord would release a knockout blow at 55k.

Also, dealer markup is ridiculous, but I understand why they do it. They're in business to make money. If you can sucker people out of 15k just because they "gotta have it now before the Joneses", then go for it. The smart buyer isn't paying that ridiculous cost.