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m4a1mustang · 02-02-2012, 11:24 AM

Both are less important than skid pad when it comes to handling, of course. That's why race teams ignore dynamic toe completely and just try to maximize their skidpad G's.

/sarcasm

b1adesofcha0s · 02-02-2012, 11:27 AM

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This has been an exciting day for you! First you learn about toe and then you learn what a Watts Link is! Thank goodness for Wikipedia!

Pharmacist · 02-02-2012, 11:34 AM

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This has been an exciting day for you! First you learn about toe and then you learn what a Watts Link is! Thank goodness for Wikipedia!

Not exactly. Learned about toe in human anatomy class. And learned about Watts links while reading about the "history" of suspension design.

ihatepotholes · 02-02-2012, 11:36 AM

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Honestly I don't think you can take that comment at face value. Look deeper and it's disgustingly amazing because the car is a Mustang. A Mustang is not supposed to drive like this. A GT Mustang shouldn't even be within five seconds of an M3 at Willow Springs let alone a tenth of a second. Popular car culture has had us believing for years that at first sight of a corner the Mustang should plow straight off the road into a barrier.

To me, that is why it is so impressive. It's unexpected.

yes the current 5.0 is the best mustang ever produced. though it does not mean it is amazing or incredible compare to other competitors. sheer performance wise yes the mustang is amazing especially when you consider the dollar to performance ratio. however, to some people numbers don't mean that much. i value the allover driving experience far above what numbers magazines produce.

it's the new 5.0 coyote that did it for me. nothing will touch it in the 30-40k range.

m4a1mustang · 02-02-2012, 11:40 AM

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yes the current 5.0 is the best mustang ever produced. though it does not mean it is amazing or incredible compare to other competitors. sheer performance wise yes the mustang is amazing especially when you consider the dollar to performance ratio. however, to some people numbers don't mean that much. i value the allover driving experience far above what numbers magazines produce.

it's the new 5.0 coyote that did it for me. yes the numbers are impressive, but it "feels" more like a pony car than a sports car.

I definitely never contend that it "feels" like a sports car. It feels like a pony car which is a cross between a sports car and a muscle car, and honestly that's how it should feel.

IRS will be a welcome addition if they do it right, and hopefully they do sort out the feedback from the electronic steering box. But as it stands right now it's an absolute blast to drive with a lot of aftermarket potential.

m4a1mustang · 02-02-2012, 11:42 AM

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Not exactly. Learned about toe in human anatomy class. And learned about Watts links while reading about the "history" of suspension design.

Trollolol?

It'd honestly be funny if you didn't make yourself look like an ignorant fool back in the Corvette thread when you simultaneously declared the 370Z a better handler than the Corvette while admitting that the 370Z was indeed the ONLY RWD CAR THAT YOU HAD EVER DRIVEN.

But that's ok... whatever makes you happy.

ihatepotholes · 02-02-2012, 11:43 AM

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I think the Fays2 is probably the better unit.. It's a little heavier than the Steeda unit but it doesn't compromise clearance on the passenger side like the Steeda does. It's also what, $400 less?

Mine should be here either Friday or Monday. Planning on installing it next Friday.

who are you ordering from? Strano?

keep me updated, write a review here

m4a1mustang · 02-02-2012, 11:43 AM

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who are you ordering from? Strano?

keep me updated, write a review here

Sam is the man.

I'll definitely let you know how it turns out.

Pharmacist · 02-02-2012, 11:46 AM

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Trollolol?

It'd honestly be funny if you didn't make yourself look like an ignorant fool back in the Corvette thread when you simultaneously declared the 370Z a better handler than the Corvette while admitting that the 370Z was indeed the ONLY RWD CAR THAT YOU HAD EVER DRIVEN.

But that's ok... whatever makes you happy.

It'd be funny if you actually didn't put words in my mouth and read what I said instead.

But hey, whatever floats your boat

m4a1mustang · 02-02-2012, 11:48 AM

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It'd be funny if you actually didn't put words in my mouth and read what I said instead.

But hey, whatever floats your boat

I'm pretty sure we covered this in that thread and whenever you were called out you ignored it.

m4a1mustang · 02-02-2012, 11:49 AM

An olive branch...

If you give credit where credit is due, I'll drop it forever.

ihatepotholes · 02-02-2012, 11:51 AM

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I definitely never contend that it "feels" like a sports car. It feels like a pony car which is a cross between a sports car and a muscle car, and honestly that's how it should feel.

IRS will be a welcome addition if they do it right, and hopefully they do sort out the feedback from the electronic steering box. But as it stands right now it's an absolute blast to drive with a lot of aftermarket potential.

that is true, 5.0 coyote is a beast. simple bolt ons and a tune will stomp on the likes of M3, isf, c63 and other cars that cost twice as much.

Sibze · 02-02-2012, 11:54 AM

I love the mustang don't get me wrong but the M3, IS-F and C63 are different cars...

Red__Zed · 02-02-2012, 12:05 PM

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i love how you just assume that i don't try other settings and you sound like you know about my car better than i do. it is on the most stiff setting because it is the best i could dial the car in after hundreds of miles of trial in each setting. you've spent enough time in nj to experience every road? that's funny, because i keep finding these great roads in NJ that are great for spirited driving.

if you like more body roll and break dive i guess you can say what you said. but "absolutely, disgustingly amazing" tells me you haven't experienced many real sports cars.

I guess it is all relative. To me, a 4000 lb mustang on a solid rear axle that objectively matches or beats a 3300lb "dedicated sports car" and subjectively ranges from "almost as good as" to "better than" in the handling department is amazingly, disgustingly good.

I find your comment about me not driving sports cars funny.

Please do share your nj roads list. I will make sure to hit them up, maybe it will change my mind.

ihatepotholes · 02-02-2012, 12:06 PM

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I love the mustang don't get me wrong but the M3, IS-F and C63 are different cars...

of course they are a lot more luxurious... but if you solely look at the performance, mustang matches up quite well.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	An olive branch... If you give credit where credit is due, I'll drop it forever. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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Sibze A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 16,202 Drives: In your way Rep Power: 62	I love the mustang don't get me wrong but the M3, IS-F and C63 are different cars...