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Red__Zed

Putting down great mag numbers means it does well in the objective testing they do...Just like AMD designs chips around beating Intel in benchmarks, without much of a focus on real world performance. For instance, the balance in the Z is set up poorly for performance (severe understeer), but it sets it up to lay down eye-popping skidpad numbers. Because the test is done under constant acceleration around a 200ft skidpad, the Z's handling is neutral *during that specific test*. If you look at the real world numbers, on a track, you often see the Z pulls nothing near the advertised levels of grip, because unless you enter the corner slowly and power out...you never see them. And on many corners, the Z doesn't have enough power to dump enough weight on the rear tires.
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I feel like you are being unclear about what you are claiming on track times...can you clarify please?

shadoquad

Dude, the Z handles very, very well. I'm overwhelmed with its level of grip.

Granted, I've never tracked it, but it handles on rails in the twisties.

Red__Zed

Never said it didn't. I'm just saying you've never pulled 1.01gs in a stock car (or .94 or whatever the base model pulls). With stockish camber settings, you'll never get there.


Don't confuse handling like rails in the twisties with track performance. Our hottest run on the dragon was maybe 7/10s of what an sp z could do.

shadoquad

The only times the car feels unglued to me are when the tires are shot, when it's super cold outside, or when the road is bumpy. Otherwise, it's very well planted.

I haven't heard too many of the tracking members here complain about their Z's handling, but perhaps I need to pay more attention.

Dan, your Mustang is dumb. Even amongst other Mustangs. They laugh about it behind its back.

Red__Zed

The few track guys left that run seriously are running 3* of camber up front to battle the chassis. There aren't really many good Fca options either, so you wind up with slip.


Again, the z is super planted on the street. You have to wrench the wheel to get the back end out, and even when it does break loose, it's all front, so anyone can correct it. Makes for great, safe fun on the street.

But saying a car feels planted on the street is doesn't give any idea how it handles at the limit (unless you are recklessly endangering people, and I know you're too mature for that)

And yes...all the other mustangs make fun of mine for being the only one without 400 whp

shadoquad

I know there's a huge difference in track vs street, but I also know that mag times are not perfectly applicable to either really. They have both sets of enthusiasts as their audience.

It's why I hate when people bark mag numbers out, because I mentally append to each statement...

note: these are not z-specifc numbers, just examples
0-60 in less than 5 under perfect conditions
0.96 on the skid under perfect conditions
7:35 around the Nring under perfect conditions
335hp under perfect conditions
45mpg under perfect conditions
etc

And those conditions vary. Testers specialize on what will get the best numbers.

Just because my Z is capable of sub-5 second 0-60 times, that doesn't imply that i'll ever hit that or that I'd even want to on a public road.

I wasn't completely arguing, just saying that i love my car's handling, and I'll add that Mustangs handle just as well from what we've all seen together on the Dragon.