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b1adesofcha0s 10-16-2011 09:23 PM

Nice job Asian-Steve :tup:

m4a1mustang 10-16-2011 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1362047)
i sometimes wonder if the increased rotational mass cancels out the benefits on rear kits. i've never really seen any evidence that big rear brakes are needed on most street cars...

They really aren't needed on the street. I think if you really spent a lot of time tracking and liked to run more rearward bias than the typical street car it would be beneficial...

But then again, when it comes to brakes, look at NASCAR. You have 3400lb cars that run 15" wheels... you can't fit much brake inside those cars but yet they manage to go from 130 mph to 65 mph 1,000 times during a race at Martinsville on one set of rotors and pads. So there's definitely no real risk of failure assuming you've got all of your cooling in order with small brakes. It just helps to go bigger if you can.

There's no doubt a rear BBK looks badass, though. :icon17:

m4a1mustang 10-16-2011 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1362048)
Nice job Asian-Steve :tup:

Thanks Asian-b1ades. :tup:

Red__Zed 10-16-2011 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1362077)
They really aren't needed on the street. I think if you really spent a lot of time tracking and liked to run more rearward bias than the typical street car it would be beneficial...

But then again, when it comes to brakes, look at NASCAR. You have 3400lb cars that run 15" wheels... you can't fit much brake inside those cars but yet they manage to go from 130 mph to 65 mph 1,000 times during a race at Martinsville on one set of rotors and pads. So there's definitely no real risk of failure assuming you've got all of your cooling in order with small brakes. It just helps to go bigger if you can.

There's no doubt a rear BBK looks badass, though. :icon17:

nah, I just mean weight-distro wise. our cars carry all their weight on the nose, and there is a ton of weight transfer. If you put an IR gun on the Z's brakes after the dragon, the rears barely heat up at all while the fronts are cooking...just the nature of the beast.

m4a1mustang 10-16-2011 09:35 PM

I made a comment in another thread about how the BBKs on the 5.0 and the 370 look super small because of the 19" wheels.

My GF's CLK500 runs a 13.6" front disc (vs 14" for us) with 4 pot fronts, but it's all under a 17" rim. Looks so much bigger than the Mustang and Z. :icon17:

Crap cell pic but you get the idea:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-r...-59-09_701.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-J...-11-37_809.jpg

We'd need 15" or better rotors on our cars to get that look.

Red__Zed 10-16-2011 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1362092)
I made a comment in another thread about how the BBKs on the 5.0 and the 370 look super small because of the 19" wheels.

My GF's CLK500 runs a 13.6" front disc (vs 14" for us) with 4 pot fronts, but it's all under a 17" rim. Looks so much bigger than the Mustang and Z. :icon17:

Crap cell pic but you get the idea:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-r...-59-09_701.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-J...-11-37_809.jpg

We'd need 15" or better rotors on our cars to get that look.


haha, damn.

It's like the s2000...this is a 12.8" rotor:roflpuke2:


http://www.vipstylecars.com/Pics/HTm.../IMG_2154a.jpg

m4a1mustang 10-16-2011 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1362101)
haha, damn.

It's like the s2000...this is a 12.8" rotor:roflpuke2:


http://www.vipstylecars.com/Pics/HTm.../IMG_2154a.jpg

That's awesome. :icon17:

Red__Zed 10-16-2011 09:47 PM

guys always bitched about having to get bigger rims to run decent size brakes kits....I think you had to go +2" to run a 13" rotor.

m4a1mustang 10-16-2011 09:49 PM

On a car that light I doubt there was much need to run a huge rotor.

Red__Zed 10-16-2011 09:51 PM

iirc, stock fronts were like 11.8. I ran carbotech pads and never had any issues, even with all the power I was pushing.

FromG2Z 10-16-2011 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1361801)
honestly I don't think I'd ever drop the cash on a shelby. they are nice but when you get above 50k the competition is pretty fierce.

That's true. Can't we just drop 5-6k on a FRPP supercharger, get it dealer-installed, then get full warranty??? So why bother with a Shelby... lol

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1362121)
iirc, stock fronts were like 11.8. I ran carbotech pads and never had any issues, even with all the power I was pushing.

Your Volks looked hot. Which were those??? CE37?



Steve, nice review! In your opinion though, are the stock pads/rotors good enough? I would imagine, what makes the Brembo kit on our cars truly "Brembos" are the pads and calipers themselves? In other words, if I were to get replacement oem pads or calipers, would they be Brembo parts?

I do like the look of slotted tho. So you replaced both pads/rotors at 21k eh?

m4a1mustang 10-16-2011 10:18 PM

Steve! Steve did the review!!! :icon17:

The stock pads and rotors are awesome. The stock pads are a Ferodo street + light track compound (which is why I replaced them after 21k of street driving!). They are great.

The front calipers are Brembo. The rear are Ford. The pads are Ferodo/Brembo. Front rotors are Brembo. Rear rotors are Ford. It's a good setup.

Red__Zed 10-16-2011 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z (Post 1362155)

Your Volks looked hot. Which were those??? CE37?



?


actually not mine, just some random dude's setup. I never upgraded the brakes on my car.

i think they're te's...not sure tho

Red__Zed 10-16-2011 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1362175)
Steve! Steve did the review!!! :icon17:

The stock pads and rotors are awesome. The stock pads are a Ferodo street + light track compound (which is why I replaced them after 21k of street driving!). They are great.

The front calipers are Brembo. The rear are Ford. The pads are Ferodo/Brembo. Front rotors are Brembo. Rear rotors are Ford. It's a good setup.

i steal your credit without even trying. people assume anything helpful came from me:stirthepot:

m4a1mustang 10-16-2011 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1362184)
i steal your credit without even trying. people assume anything helpful came from me:stirthepot:

Which is surprising to say the least. :bowrofl:

FromG2Z 10-16-2011 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1362175)
Steve! Steve did the review!!! :icon17:

The stock pads and rotors are awesome. The stock pads are a Ferodo street + light track compound (which is why I replaced them after 21k of street driving!). They are great.

The front calipers are Brembo. The rear are Ford. The pads are Ferodo/Brembo. Front rotors are Brembo. Rear rotors are Ford. It's a good setup.

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1362184)
i steal your credit without even trying. people assume anything helpful came from me:stirthepot:

hahaha sorry Steve. Don't know what came over me. Edited and corrected :D

I am reading your diy on mustangsource right now.

Red__Zed 10-16-2011 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1362187)
Which is surprising to say the least. :bowrofl:

yeah, crazy how good people are at pattern-recognition:stirthepot:

m4a1mustang 10-16-2011 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1362195)
yeah, crazy how good people are at pattern-recognition:stirthepot:

Maybe if I start trolling people will think you are a troll... wait... :bowrofl:

FromG2Z 10-16-2011 10:30 PM

steve forgot to ask you. What do you use to post pics? Photobucket for me, but such a pain. Google chrome for you? orrr?

m4a1mustang 10-16-2011 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z (Post 1362203)
steve forgot to ask you. What do you use to post pics? Photobucket for me, but such a pain. Google chrome for you? orrr?

I use Picasa, by Google. It's nice. You get 1GB of free space but I use a lot so I bought 20GB for like $5. :tup:

Red__Zed 10-17-2011 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1362199)
Maybe if I start trolling people will think you are a troll... wait... :bowrofl:

Wonder if...is that...:icon08:....I see what you did there.....

GZ3 10-17-2011 12:07 PM

lol you guys live in this thread/forum!

on a side not...car is completely stock again...going back to the dealer for suspension work...if you get a creeking sound/grinding metal...there is a TSB for it...dealer advised that return car back to stock before i took it in

fyi ALWAYS remove a tune for ANY factory work!

m4a1mustang 10-17-2011 12:52 PM

What exactly does the TSB address/replace? I wonder if it's for the non-Brembo cars since I haven't felt or heard anything with the suspension.

b1adesofcha0s 10-17-2011 01:15 PM

Just wondering, if I were to get an automatic 5.0, how much would it cost in aftermarket or stock Brembo parts to match or get better than Brembo package performance. Have no intention of trading my Z for a 5.0, just wondering.

m4a1mustang 10-17-2011 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1363031)
Just wondering, if I were to get an automatic 5.0, how much would it cost in aftermarket or stock Brembo parts to match or get better than Brembo package performance. Have no intention of trading my Z for a 5.0, just wondering.

The Brembo front upgrade is $1,200 and there is a plethora of suspension options out there, but let's just say you chose the Steeda coilover kit... $1500.

So, $2,700 + the cost of summer tires.

Which goes to show you that buying a Manual (like $800 cheaper than the auto) and adding the $1,600 Brembo package is a helluva deal.

b1adesofcha0s 10-17-2011 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1363063)
The Brembo front upgrade is $1,200 and there is a plethora of suspension options out there, but let's just say you chose the Steeda coilover kit... $1500.

So, $2,700 + the cost of summer tires.

Which goes to show you that buying a Manual (like $800 cheaper than the auto) and adding the $1,600 Brembo package is a helluva deal.

Just like the sport package on the Z. The non-brembo's don't come with summer tires?

m4a1mustang 10-17-2011 01:36 PM

The Non-Brembos come with PZero Nero all-seasons.

Red__Zed 10-17-2011 01:37 PM

To be fair, with that suspension, you're beating the brembo car.

m4a1mustang 10-17-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1363093)
To be fair, with that suspension, you're beating the brembo car.

Well with any aftermarket suspension there you would.

Even still, the Brembo package is worth it for the wheels, tires, brakes, and TC/SC calibration alone.

GZ3 10-17-2011 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1362987)
What exactly does the TSB address/replace? I wonder if it's for the non-Brembo cars since I haven't felt or heard anything with the suspension.

the LCA and the bushing...mine did it the first week...now its doing it again

m4a1mustang 10-17-2011 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 1363098)
the LCA and the bushing...mine did it the first week...now its doing it again

Interesting. Definitely the non-Brembo cars then as we get the GT500/Boss LCAs.

Red__Zed 10-17-2011 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1363097)
Well with any aftermarket suspension there you would.

Even still, the Brembo package is worth it for the wheels, tires, brakes, and TC/SC calibration alone.

Unless you're gonna replace it all anyways:p

FromG2Z 10-17-2011 01:57 PM

Ok guys... know what I did for lunch?

I test drove a black 2012 Shelby GT500.

Let's just say, I ALMOST cancelled my order for a 5.0 and put one in for the Shelby. Luckily, I value my marriage.

LOL.

that Shelby was UNf******ngbelievable. That torque. Oh god that torque. And that SHIFTER. What IS that shifter on there? That was the best shifter i've ever driven. WAY better than stock GT 5.0 shifter. I hope my MGW mod will be like that.

Also, suprisingly the clutch on the GT500 was LIGHTER than the GT... who woulda thunk.

Then after the drive, I sat there rev'd that engine again. I hope my 5.0 with GT500 will sound like that. My goodness. Nothing sounds like a Ford V8. Nothing.

Cornered very flat... I'd never see the limits of it as I don't track, but still. Felt tighter than Z even. Definitely harsher than 5.0.

And the LOOKS of it. So sexy. In a I want to eat you up and spit you out kind of way.

Anyway sticker was 53k, they were gonna give it to me for 48k...... no negotiations yet even. I'm that good. LOL.

My buddy with a Vette who was thinking about a grand sport now is thinking about the Shelby instead. Kudos to Ford for converting EVERYbody. LOL.

Lemers 10-17-2011 02:01 PM

Man quit adding to my frustration over what I need to do. As far as marriage goes my wife took me to the dealership to look at the Shelbys. So much going on in my head I don't know what to do.

m4a1mustang 10-17-2011 02:03 PM

The GT500 uses a Tremec transmission with a true direct-input shifter. The 5.0 uses the Getrag MT82 which is a remote mount so it doesn't feel as direct (because it's not) when stock. I'm sure the MGW box will change that.

b1adesofcha0s 10-17-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1363087)
The Non-Brembos come with PZero Nero all-seasons.

Ghey

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1363100)
Interesting. Definitely the non-Brembo cars then as we get the GT500/Boss LCAs.

What's a LCA?

m4a1mustang 10-17-2011 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1363254)
Ghey



What's a LCA?

Lower control arm.

b1adesofcha0s 10-17-2011 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1363286)
Lower control arm.

:tup:

Red__Zed 10-17-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1363286)
Lower control arm.

Dont lie to him
:Troll face:

FromG2Z 10-17-2011 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 1363152)
Man quit adding to my frustration over what I need to do. As far as marriage goes my wife took me to the dealership to look at the Shelbys. So much going on in my head I don't know what to do.

Haha sorry man. But I speak the truth. Have u ever driven one? A 5.0? Or the shelby? I u haven't driven a shelby, don't. U will end signing. Lol. But sounds like ur wife is allowing u to get a new shelby???? If so, jump buddy. The shelby is THAT good.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1363158)
The GT500 uses a Tremec transmission with a true direct-input shifter. The 5.0 uses the Getrag MT82 which is a remote mount so it doesn't feel as direct (because it's not) when stock. I'm sure the MGW box will change that.

that makes sense Steve. I forgot about the different tranny for the shelby, its tremec. But it just felt so good man. Have u or Dan driven a shelby? Try to ;)

BTW, I spoke to mgw, they are shipping next week. Wootwoot. Also I asked him about how it will feel after install, comparing std 5.0 to shelby stock. He said should be better than stock shelby even....should be even smooooother. I'm stoked.

Btw, should I buy the optional heat shield? I already bought the mgw shiftknob too ;) he said the heat shield is to further isolate heat and sound. But i kindda want to hear my exhaust inside car... Lol. Heat shield is 25 bucks. Yay or nay?


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