Oil change is ok. Now if he said "lubejob" that's code

The design is really attractive and stylish, but the power will be lacking. Toyota is aiming for a retail price in the low 25k market. It will compete with the Hyundai Genesis 2.0T, Subaru WRX, Lancer Ralliart, VW GTI, Mini Cooper, Honda Civic Si, Cobalt SS T/C, Dodge Caliber SRT4, etc.

I'm thinking it will be close to the 200 bhp league. It's no where near the status of the 370z.

instead of looking at the ft-86 why not look at the new twin turbo 6 cylinder bmw m3's coming out?

Yeah, +1
....waters money tree

its not really much more money if you think about it...the nismo or the sport/touring Z msrp is around 40K. you can get a m3 in the 50's plus u can get a 0.9 interest rate which would make the payment maybe 150 or 200 more than the Z.

you're right, window shopping is free! :tup:

Yes, but it should be running an engine that is proven to hold up to quite a bit of boost, something I think most of us wish the Z could do.

Subaru engine on 400HP would definitely make this a scary car.

However...I'm pretty sure the car's more like a RWD Celica/Supra replacement than the AE86 replacement. I mean the 4AG engine in the AE86 was pretty high in RPM during it's time. If the boxer engine can't out-rev that, it's kinda mute point.

The current BMW M3 coupe MSRP's for about $59,000 The NISMO MSRP is about $40,000. A Twin turbo version is going to up the price significantly.
Over 20 grand doesn't fall into the "much more money" catagory for me! :D

As much as I want this to be a moddable 2500 lb car, I think it will sell better if it weighs a bit more, and has more power from the factory. More sales means a better aftermarket, and not the crap we deal with on the 370.

:icon14: oh? please elaborate!

Our aftermarket sucks. What else do you want to know?

you should step away from washer mods? :confused: ;)

Haha, those guys kill me.

I'm just saying, there really isn't much being done for serious modification on our cars. Shamu's got some stuff going for racing, if you want power you can follow Bullit's $200k+ path to a partially finished car. 3 years out, there should be a lot more for our cars.

its not going to up the price significantly, if they did that then they wouldnt be able to sell the car. and if you break the numbers down based on interest rate its not much. the best interest rate u can get for a Z is 3.99 and u can get 0.9 with bmw. the current m3 has a v8 in it im sure that engine isnt cheap, so why would it be a lot more with a 6 cylinder with turbos?