:iagree: true, let's close one of these threads. the Z wannabies are getting waay too much attention. :icon17:

Goodbye TROLL!!

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lol... :rofl2:

Not sure I follow you on that one...seems like the current Z is right in line with the stickers on the 4 vehicles you mentioned. It might be a hair less expensive, especially compared to the Supra and later RX-7s, but not by a big margin. I graduated high school in 95, so those were the cars I wanted badly in that timeframe. Actually almost bought a 3000GT after I graduated college, but opted for a new Trans Am instead in 99. Was a tough decision at the time!

It's not a dollar for dollar comparison, though. $30K in the '90s would be like $50K in today's money.

95 RX-7 carried a $50K sticker, same with the turbo VR-4s. TT Supras were over 60K around the same period. This is when everyone made 20% less money too, also interest rates were nearly double digits....

Exactly. That would be like us paying $75K for our Z's.

wow.... $75K Z. no thanks. :D

i will take the $50K BRZ. :ugh2:

Good Points... I wasn't considering inflation. I stand corrected.

It does look good, which is the right idea to actually sell them to the masses. But it will be built down to a price for mass consumption, which means $20-$26k, and I expect it would be a significant downgrade for us Z owners.

While the FR-S would be a great car, if you own a Z already just keep it. If you're one of those "it's new, it's hot, me too I want to own one" kind of crowd, be my guest.

Just remember buying a new car is supporting the companies' idea of making "sporty" cars, regardless whether it is a Z or FRS. I mean, just look at all those really nice Japanese sports cars in the 80s and 90s...in which many pretty much either downgraded or disappeared.

I haven't driven neither yet so I obviously couldn't say.

However, my deciding factor wouldn't be based on which car is merely quicker.

Why turn down a car just because it doesn't run a certain 0-60, lap time, etc? Why would that be such a big deal unless you're racing your daily drivers for a living? Need to "prove" something? I don't know why ppl do this.

Wouldn't the important thing be how the car drives, connects with its driver, transmits road feel, steering feel/ feedback, and so on. You know all those things that make the actual act of driving fun / rewarding.

This is why I never judge a car based on mere specs (HP/TQ, curb weight, 0-60, skid pad, etc) Those things are neat to speculate about but they do NOT tell you how the car is going to feel behind the wheel.

Many of the best cars to drive aren't necessarily the fastest (they often aren't / ref: MX-5, S2K, RX-8, Boxster, etc). If that's all you care about sure go ahead and dismiss cars based on its spec sheet and or photos you've seen off the internets.

It seems many people purchase cars al most solely on how much speed they can get per their $$. That's just a horrible way to go about picking a great drivers car. Unless of course you live life one 1/4 mile at a time. I have to admit I was probably more like that in my early 20's up until I drove some truly great cars later in life.

The BRZ and FT-86 are nothing but Hyndai Genesis rip-offs ...IMO. They look very similar and the numbers are lower than the Hyundai V6's numbers.
Question is, will the BRZ/FT-86 be a good platform for TT or SC? The car is light but 200HP is not enough, put at least 250HP and the car looks to be pretty solid. Again...IMO

What year are you talking? I bought a 97 Supra TT Anniversary Edition for 35K. It had 10K miles on it and was mint. Brand new they were going for low 40's at most dealerships, I never saw any for over 45K not even the 98 Quick Silver which was rare and highly sought out.

I sold the Supra in 2004 with 86,000 miles for ...35K (and it was paid off :tup: ) Probably the only car I'll ever own where I could sell it for what I bought it for years later. If Fast and Furious never came out I'd probably still have the car today but once that movie came out, cops would follow me around waiting for me to do something and after a bit that got old so I sold it.

I think the Z is basically the modern day Supra except it is slightly faster right out of the box and of course N/A. Having owned the Supra, the Z is very similar in most ways. Too bad the Z isn't TT from the factory!

1995 RX-7 loaded - MSRP was $35,300

1995 TT Supra with ALL options - MSRP was $49,900.00

And people made a helluva lot more money in '95 than they do now. Where do you people get this schitt? :shakes head: