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2008 Honda S2000 review from Motor Trend


0-60:5.5
1/4 mile:14.0 at 97 mph
2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS vs. The 2008 Honda S2000. Can it be done? - Motor Trend Sports & High-Performance Cars Forum

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Forgot I even posted that, but I still stand by it. Z stays over the 86, would add the 86 at the right price.

What did an S2k cost brand new? It was a 30k car.

I like the BRZ/FRS, I like the S2k, I like the Miata, I like the Elise. Power is only part of the performance car experience.

Saw a black one in person yesterday, and I must say, it's definitely got potential. I'd have to see them modified, but no, I would not trade the Z in for it.

And there's no way in hell I'd pay $30k for an S2000. :)

:icon17: Me neither, but that was 30k in early-2000's bux. Inflate that to 2012 bux, that puts it around 35k-ish? These cars are as fast for 28k. The problem? No drop top. Even then, 28k is the top price. You can get into one for 25k or so.

yea man, i didnt read the whole thread, but thats my favorite response to the OP's original post, hehe. cuts through all the BS!

Msrp on the s was closer to 35k.

Yeah the S2000 was surprisingly expensive compared to how bare bones it was.

Bare bones yes, but if Honda actually charged enough to make a profit on the S2000s (they lost money on everyone they made, just like the NSX), they would have been closer to $50k (they were hand built after all). They were nearly perfect, the balance was unbelievable, truly the best car I've ever owned, better then my brand new Z (which I love, not knocking it one bit). The S did stock what everyone here who mods their Zs is trying to do (except for the horsepower part obviously).

I love my S. :tup:

I agree with most of what you said, except this part. The S was a different kind of car. Closer to a suped-up Miata than a Z. The Z is very bulky. It's practically a muscle car in comparison. I love the S, but 33k brand new was too much cost for what the car was, in my opinion.

When comparing the S to the Z, I tell my friends, "My S was like a pro figure skater, my Z is more like a pro hockey player!!!"

The S was pure precision, the Z is pure beef! I was Tim Allen caveman grunting all the way home from the dealership.

perfect analogy!

Quality control?

Toyota Warns Scion Dealers Of Ill-Fitting FR-S Body Panels

I drove it today. It wasn't bad, but it didn't really grab me. For the money, I'd rather have a Miata.

Can't beat those doors. :tup:

Once again not miata doors...:roflpuke2:

Eh, I wouldn't call the 370Z a Hockey player. It's more of a speed skater. Precise, fast around corners, but not necessarily brutish and powerful. A Hockey player is more of a Corvette Z06, imo.

The Z weighs a few hundred pounds too much to be a speed skater - the Z06 is actually lighter than a 370Z. Definitely the hockey player of the group.

hockey player is more like a super duty pickup with supercharger and all.

The other tread being locked had nothing to do with what I posted.

I love the BRZ / FR-S because they've received phenomenal reviews?

I wouldn't say I "love" them but considering what is known there is absolutely no reason to assume they're somehow "over-priced" / "under-powered".

If that fact hurts your feelings for some reason you have issues.

The point I've made is that a car clearly does NOT have to produce superior #'s to be a superior driver's car.

Case in point: Mazda MX-5 Miata is by far a superior driver's car compared to the 370z despite producing slower test track #'s. This may be hard to swallow for some but reality is reality.

The BRZ / FR-S / MX-5 all costing under 30K and all slower than the Mustang, 370Z, Gen Coupe, etc are superior in terms of being fun / rewarding to drive.

If you race your daily driver's for a living you may want to go with the car which is merely quicker. Otherwise, I don't see the point in going with a car that is less fun to drive but happens to run a quicker 0-60 time.

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What would you say the "weak link" was ? I sat inside of a Toyota 86 a few months ago and was really impressed with the seat feel, steering wheel, driving position, interior layout/function. Is it the engine & exhaust sound that lets the car down ? ?

Lack of oomph, didn't have the turn-in I expected. Interior was well laid out but cheap. They're ok.

Ok: i guess that's to be expected from a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder engine. The light weight must have been nice, though (?)

What do you want? I didn't dig it too much

So how much do Toyota/Subaru pay you for all this advertisement and how can I get in on it? :rofl2:

Got a close up look at a toyota dealership the other day and didnt even test drive it. While nice it is no z.

That pretty much somes it up for me too. It's a cute little car but it's no sports Gt car like a Z or a Cayman.

good luck finding one that is manual and available.

My buddy bought a BRZ but it took 2 weeks to find in the good ole' state of Minnesota.

The cars have potential, but don't work for me with the stock engine. The car is so light it doesn't need 300hp, but something more like 250hp/240tq... Then it would be in my garage.

Saw my first FR-S the other day in red, was going in the oposite direction so i only got a shot of the front and side as i went by. From a looks stand point in my opinion the car looked very cheap just like the current scions do. At a starting price of 26k i would never buy this.

I think they look great from the front and side. It's the back view that really kills it for me. It looks like it's running on spare tires - super skinny and not even close to flush.

I don't care about how well it performs if it looks dumb doing it. Although I guess it's an easy fix.

Finally found a BR-Z in the Subaru showroom, but saw it at 10 pm, after it closed. Gonna finally be able to inspect it closely some thursday :) Our Toyota and Lexus dealerships had absolutely no FR-S's.

Fun fact: The Subaru and Hyundai dealerships in my area have window-side key lock boxes and many cars have keyless entry where the keys just need to be a few feet next to the door. Resulted in many open doors late at night.

You might have been able to test drive it too.

lol why would they? It's branded as a Scion.

I had a revelation when I sat down to ponder what cars would be REAL WORLD faster than the BRZ/FR-S. Granted, my living situation (Colorado Springs, 6500' above sea level at my house), pushes my impromptu logic in a specific direction, but I imagine this would apply to nearly anyone who doesn't live six feet from either ocean. So, without further ado, here are the categories of cars faster than the Sciubaru in the real world:

Category A: any car/truck with a turbo.
Category B: any car/truck with more than 2 liters of displacement.

And that's it, really. Now I don't know about you guys, but I would die inside just a little bit every time I got waxed from a stoplight by a soccer mom late for practice, rolling 6 deep in her minivan. I think anyone who's even got a small shred of competitiveness or Type-A in them would feel the same. The thought of having to repeat the mantra "Yeah, but my car handles better in the twisties" over and over again during my daily commute- which, oh by the way, has NO twisties- would drive me batty. So where would this car be truly good? Race tracks with no straights and canyon runs below 2500'? Without any sort of boost from a turbo or a blower, I can't see this car being a world beater. I simply can't.

S.

Hahaha omg that is so stupid. I can't believe a dealership hadn't thought of that. If a group of thieves comes across this revelation, they'd end up with a goldmine. Airbags, seats, steering wheels, navi displays, etc etc. That is terrible.