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When I first saw the pics for the FT-86, it looked pretty damn sweet, but now that reality has kicked in and the final production model has been shown, its a big let down. Looks matter and I don't think that the FT-86 has them. Is there really a market for a $20K sports car?

Price range I'm guessing is around $25k

Yes there is!

Hell I would buy one :icon17:

I agree, it will decimate anything once you drop 15k into it and if we have to overnight parts from Japan.

Though it will fetch a premium a week before race wars.

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I was following the FT-86 development for some time, but as expected, the homogenized production version was disappointing...as was the lack of horsepower! That's what ultimately led me back to the Z. Maybe Toyota will actually bring back something worthy of being a Supra someday!

Two similar threads going on at the same time, FT-86 & BRZ vs 370Z. :shakes head:

It seems like automakers today can't seem to make a good sports car besides cars such as the z, sti, and genesis. They all seem to suffer in the looks department and power. Automakers make cars that have a little pep above the average car and maybe slightly more stylish and call it their sports car that targets the younger crowd when its really a pos in comparison to the sports cars they used to make like in the 90's (supra,300zx,rx7,3000gt).

How old were you when it was in the 90s? The Supra/300ZX/RX-7/3000GT were at least $30K in the early 90s, some climbed to the 40s and 50s. They all died because they were overpriced and they couldn't sell any. If the 370Z was another $10K more expensive, there would be a lot less people driving it.

:iagree: true, let's close one of these threads. the Z wannabies are getting waay too much attention. :icon17:

Goodbye TROLL!!

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lol... :rofl2:

Not sure I follow you on that one...seems like the current Z is right in line with the stickers on the 4 vehicles you mentioned. It might be a hair less expensive, especially compared to the Supra and later RX-7s, but not by a big margin. I graduated high school in 95, so those were the cars I wanted badly in that timeframe. Actually almost bought a 3000GT after I graduated college, but opted for a new Trans Am instead in 99. Was a tough decision at the time!

It's not a dollar for dollar comparison, though. $30K in the '90s would be like $50K in today's money.

95 RX-7 carried a $50K sticker, same with the turbo VR-4s. TT Supras were over 60K around the same period. This is when everyone made 20% less money too, also interest rates were nearly double digits....

Exactly. That would be like us paying $75K for our Z's.

wow.... $75K Z. no thanks. :D

i will take the $50K BRZ. :ugh2:

Good Points... I wasn't considering inflation. I stand corrected.

It does look good, which is the right idea to actually sell them to the masses. But it will be built down to a price for mass consumption, which means $20-$26k, and I expect it would be a significant downgrade for us Z owners.

While the FR-S would be a great car, if you own a Z already just keep it. If you're one of those "it's new, it's hot, me too I want to own one" kind of crowd, be my guest.

Just remember buying a new car is supporting the companies' idea of making "sporty" cars, regardless whether it is a Z or FRS. I mean, just look at all those really nice Japanese sports cars in the 80s and 90s...in which many pretty much either downgraded or disappeared.

I haven't driven neither yet so I obviously couldn't say.

However, my deciding factor wouldn't be based on which car is merely quicker.

Why turn down a car just because it doesn't run a certain 0-60, lap time, etc? Why would that be such a big deal unless you're racing your daily drivers for a living? Need to "prove" something? I don't know why ppl do this.

Wouldn't the important thing be how the car drives, connects with its driver, transmits road feel, steering feel/ feedback, and so on. You know all those things that make the actual act of driving fun / rewarding.

This is why I never judge a car based on mere specs (HP/TQ, curb weight, 0-60, skid pad, etc) Those things are neat to speculate about but they do NOT tell you how the car is going to feel behind the wheel.

Many of the best cars to drive aren't necessarily the fastest (they often aren't / ref: MX-5, S2K, RX-8, Boxster, etc). If that's all you care about sure go ahead and dismiss cars based on its spec sheet and or photos you've seen off the internets.

It seems many people purchase cars al most solely on how much speed they can get per their $$. That's just a horrible way to go about picking a great drivers car. Unless of course you live life one 1/4 mile at a time. I have to admit I was probably more like that in my early 20's up until I drove some truly great cars later in life.

The BRZ and FT-86 are nothing but Hyndai Genesis rip-offs ...IMO. They look very similar and the numbers are lower than the Hyundai V6's numbers.
Question is, will the BRZ/FT-86 be a good platform for TT or SC? The car is light but 200HP is not enough, put at least 250HP and the car looks to be pretty solid. Again...IMO

What year are you talking? I bought a 97 Supra TT Anniversary Edition for 35K. It had 10K miles on it and was mint. Brand new they were going for low 40's at most dealerships, I never saw any for over 45K not even the 98 Quick Silver which was rare and highly sought out.

I sold the Supra in 2004 with 86,000 miles for ...35K (and it was paid off :tup: ) Probably the only car I'll ever own where I could sell it for what I bought it for years later. If Fast and Furious never came out I'd probably still have the car today but once that movie came out, cops would follow me around waiting for me to do something and after a bit that got old so I sold it.

I think the Z is basically the modern day Supra except it is slightly faster right out of the box and of course N/A. Having owned the Supra, the Z is very similar in most ways. Too bad the Z isn't TT from the factory!

1995 RX-7 loaded - MSRP was $35,300

1995 TT Supra with ALL options - MSRP was $49,900.00

And people made a helluva lot more money in '95 than they do now. Where do you people get this schitt? :shakes head:

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Overwhelming Evidence (reviews by others) to date suggest the BRZ / FR-S are NOT under-powered / over-priced hence it doesn't make much sense to assume otherwise.

I've stated I wouldn't know one why or another until I got to drive one. However, based on what is known there is no good reason to assume the BRZ / FR-S will somehow be over-priced / under-powered.

When so many who've driven the cars have given them such overwhelming high praise suggesting the cars will somehow be sub par doesn't make any sense.

Now if you've actually driven the car and deemed the car somehow sub par that would be an opinion that actually made sense for you. You would then have a legitimate bases to form a negative opinion.

Not sure how much more clear I can make this...






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I saw a BRZ in the wild last night. Looks very nice!

:yum: You didn't save me any?? :shakes head:

Actually, overwhelming evidence shows, to me, that this car IS underpowered. That evidence being a 0-120MPH run that takes 28 seconds to achieve.

0-200 km/h : Subaru BRZ (Motorsport) - YouTube

Mer personally, I simply can't justify the cost for that kind of performance.

I am in when the add a turbo to 2.0

I wouldn't pay 28k for one, but for 15-18k I'd buy a used one to DD if I liked how it drove.

I love driving my s2000 even though its painfully slow. So its not all about power, but it is nice to have the 5.0 and clk500 when I need HP/torque.

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Every review boils down to: Handles and brakes great; needs more torque.

They're testing a twincharged version making 320 bhp. If THAT (or something very close to that) becomes available I'll get that next.

Otherwise, next car will be another Z.

S2000 is considerably faster than the BRZ/86.

the other thread was locked, so you find this one to repost the same thing again? we all get it by now. you love the brz/frs because magazines say its good.

this is getting to the level of spam now. :ugh2:

Enjoy your BRZ. :ugh2:

Performance-wise, it's basically a hard top MX5. That will be a great little car, but it really can't touch the Z -- a point recently confirmed in a vid of an autox shootout, BTW.

I'm really hoping they offer a factory boosted version -- that would be a Z killer and have tons of potential!

In current form it really only trumps the Z in specific driver-oriented qualia (e.g., feeling of "connectedness"). Otherwise it's just a lesser car all the way around.

High hopes for a FI variant, tho'.

Can we close this thread, too? =P

Anyways.

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I agree, for 20k new (less for used) I would pick one up for a DD.
It would be fun, cheap and a good car to get from A to B.

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