Damn everyone here is hating hardddd, i actually enjoyed the presentation, very well built exterior, the engine is small but they twin turbo it up!!! OH SNAPPP

this could a bad arse little car....but i would still take the Z!

Toyota's releasing an agile and affordable rwd coupe. I think that's awesome. It's about time they released a proper "fun" car again, and if it's priced cheaply enough, this thing will sell big.

And if they and/or Scoobydoo release this with a high output engine, it'll compete.

But will gas prices dip so that people want to buy performance again?

I think they should release this car to compete with the 20-35k car market, and then release a supra to compete with corvette/gtr/911 market.

That's precisely where this will be targetted, Miatas and Genesis Coupe 2.0's.

I wish

Toyota: Wow, this FT-86 is too cool for us to make, lets give it to Subaru and Scion.

Scion: Wow, this FT-86 is too nice for our standards. Let's turn it into a cheap POS and send it to production.

Subaru: Hmmm... this could be cool.



We'll see what Subaru does. Might end up being something cool. A replacement for the Z? I don't think so! It's not going to be in the same class as the Z.

It's funny the article states this when most suby informers and the suby boards all say the suby version won't have turbo and will just be a slightly different design compared to the toyota. I'd love to see a STI motor in this car but there really hasn't been any hard evidence to suggest it will happen. All the major evidence of this car points to a 2.0 NA with 200 or less hp.

The problem with the Subaru though is it won't stay in the 20k price range, the cost will shoot up like crazy to get all the basic Subie stuff - AWD, boxer engine, blah blah blah. Unless they do keep the Toyota engine in there...which would be kinda weird I think. Subie without a boxer engine...hmmph.

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yah, i'd be like toyata without a green yaris. :tup:

What a blatant Z rip-off! Is that legal, can they do that sh**? Actually... who really cares. ALL SHOW AND NO GOOO!!!!!!!

not an authentic rip-off like fake wheels and bumpers. :stirthepot:

I'll be checking out the Suburu verison of the ft-86, What drew my attention apart from its nice looking exterior, is that the VP says "how would you like to go to the track and carry all your spares and jack in the car without having to use a truck or trailer"
BUT after watching the video the second time around in the end he says, something like, "This is an example of what tuners could do to this vehicle, yadda yadda" so this makes me wonder how much the production model will look like the concept.

No AWD. All models will have a subaru engine in them, either a tuned up EJ20 or the new FB20.


What subaru boards are saying that?


There's a test mule running around a couple places with an EJ207 and a twin scroll straight out of the J- spec STI, and another one with the EJ257 and the VF48.

is there one for the FJFJFJFJFJ999PPPXXLFKFD and PPOO11FFDDIFISOI0RUSERIOUS? :tup:

Yall thought Miata and S2000 owners got hated on for driving "chick" cars...

It looks nothing like the Z.

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shows ya how much i follow the FT-86 haha. thanks for the clarification :tup:

Haha, yeah. They put the engine too far back and too low for AWD.

lol, thats ok phelan the only version of the FT-86 i know of is from the gran turismo 5 version of it. oh and btw, i went over to fontana nissan this weekend to order my Z and danny said you dropped by for an oil change, is that code for something? lol j/k

Oil change is ok. Now if he said "lubejob" that's code

The design is really attractive and stylish, but the power will be lacking. Toyota is aiming for a retail price in the low 25k market. It will compete with the Hyundai Genesis 2.0T, Subaru WRX, Lancer Ralliart, VW GTI, Mini Cooper, Honda Civic Si, Cobalt SS T/C, Dodge Caliber SRT4, etc.

I'm thinking it will be close to the 200 bhp league. It's no where near the status of the 370z.

instead of looking at the ft-86 why not look at the new twin turbo 6 cylinder bmw m3's coming out?

Yeah, +1
....waters money tree

its not really much more money if you think about it...the nismo or the sport/touring Z msrp is around 40K. you can get a m3 in the 50's plus u can get a 0.9 interest rate which would make the payment maybe 150 or 200 more than the Z.

you're right, window shopping is free! :tup:

Yes, but it should be running an engine that is proven to hold up to quite a bit of boost, something I think most of us wish the Z could do.

Subaru engine on 400HP would definitely make this a scary car.

However...I'm pretty sure the car's more like a RWD Celica/Supra replacement than the AE86 replacement. I mean the 4AG engine in the AE86 was pretty high in RPM during it's time. If the boxer engine can't out-rev that, it's kinda mute point.

The current BMW M3 coupe MSRP's for about $59,000 The NISMO MSRP is about $40,000. A Twin turbo version is going to up the price significantly.
Over 20 grand doesn't fall into the "much more money" catagory for me! :D

As much as I want this to be a moddable 2500 lb car, I think it will sell better if it weighs a bit more, and has more power from the factory. More sales means a better aftermarket, and not the crap we deal with on the 370.

:icon14: oh? please elaborate!

Our aftermarket sucks. What else do you want to know?

you should step away from washer mods? :confused: ;)

Haha, those guys kill me.

I'm just saying, there really isn't much being done for serious modification on our cars. Shamu's got some stuff going for racing, if you want power you can follow Bullit's $200k+ path to a partially finished car. 3 years out, there should be a lot more for our cars.

its not going to up the price significantly, if they did that then they wouldnt be able to sell the car. and if you break the numbers down based on interest rate its not much. the best interest rate u can get for a Z is 3.99 and u can get 0.9 with bmw. the current m3 has a v8 in it im sure that engine isnt cheap, so why would it be a lot more with a 6 cylinder with turbos?

I had a 2000 Celica, there were a crap ton of aftermarket. However, after trial and error, everyone picks the SAME brands and kits over and over...so....do we really need a BOMEX kit?

Nope.

The Celica doesn't really have what I would consider a good aftermarket. It has a big one, but it mostly caters to the ricer crowd.

We have only a handful of shops doing FI builds, and no one is really attempting to mess around with the engine internally-- mostly because there isn't much that can be done with the car.

The 350 had a pretty solid aftermarket built up quickly, and it would have been nice if we got that on the 370 as well.

I saw this concept today at the NY auto show and it was fn sweet. Very concept-esk but was pretty darn sexy. I have some pics but it was under lighting that wouldn't let the color come out right but it was the sane deep red as the video.

It easily drew the biggest crowds , they were having "scion dance parties" ( no joke ) around the car and throwing scion beanies out to those dancing. Scion is teyig hard.

Def looked really really good though , crazy rear diffuser low low front end , concave wheels but but there's no way the production will look that good.

With 90% of it's looks and a proper motor I would think long and hard about it.

I'll post the pics soon.

I like Justin Bieber and I am a low life troll. I go from forum to forum and troll like an idiot!

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