Hyundai Genesis to compete with 370Z now?

GZ3

Great post shamu +rep

I think even if hyundai had all the intentions in the world to make a car to directly compete with the 370Z, they would still fall short. They are way behind and have allot to learn...that is unless...they kidnap some engineers from a true sports car breeder company

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'10Anamoly

This thread has digressed into borderline trolling so I am heading out. If it ends up being faster in the 1/4 and on the track (possible in the 1/4 although I would bet not, less likely on a track) then I think there will be some foot-in-mouth syndrome going around.

I love my Z too and would not swap for a Genesis Coupe, but it does not mean they could never be faster.

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daisuke149

Well, their 6 speed tranny in the sonata is a new design and quite good (purpose built for simplicity and efficiency)... they didnt have to kidnap people there and were not known as the best tranny designers before.

Their diesel motors are quite amazing too, unfortunately they are mostly only in China.. (they didnt kidnap any diesel engineer's to make those)

Their new hybrid in the sonata is the first to use lithium polymer application.. its actually a really good system and again, they didn't kidnap people.

The thing is. Hyundai has the resources, money and technology to make a reallly good sports car. I just think they want to concentrate on a different market.

Just like, toyota could do it, honda could do it, nissan does it etc.

But honda and toyota don't, they want to concentrate on a different market.

again, I think they could do it, but.. if they assign a smaller budget to it than they could, i'd be here doing what '10anamoly said "foot in mouth"

GZ3

Atleast Toyota and Honda have a rich heritage in performance, as does Nissan...Hyundai on the other hand is a new comer. I'm not putting them down in any way, am an enthusiast first and foremost, and you points are well taken, but i feel that they are still JV in the performance scene

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Shamu

I dont think anyone is not agreeing that Hyundai makes a decent value product. Aside from terrible Hyundai resale values , which do add to total cost of ownership, its a fairly decent car in the econo box market. But even FWD MazdaSpeed 3 beats this car out in terms of handling and cost effectiveness which is sort of embarrassing for Hyundai. The Mazda is cheaper. performs better and has more room and has better resale values. About the only thing I think Hyundai has is looks hence my original statement about pigs in lipstick applies pretty well.

Give Hyundai another decade and they might get in realm of well built premium cars. Which might include a Lexus competitor. They are a big company with expanding operations regionally and are trying to make their mark in more premium segments. I really dont think they are there yet but they will eventually get there. The Equus line is definitely a good start in going after more premium segment dominated by Lexus and Infiniti. I sat in one at Pebble Beach Concours and it was ugly looking beast of a 4 door but it was nicely made.

And hey maybe someday there will be several race tracks, sports car culture, in Korea. ...probably not LOL! Japanese still have advantage of a big sports car market, motorsports culture , etc.

dad

Lexus competitor-The Equus is already rated higher than the Lexus! Resale value is no better than the 370Z!

370Z
New 100% $35,080.00
2 54% $18,943.20
3 43% $15,084.40
4 34% $11,927.20
5 28% $9,822.40

3.8-Genesis
New 100% $33,000.00
2 59% $19,470.00
3 46% $15,180.00
4 37% $12,210.00
5 29% $9,570.00


4.6 Genesis
New 100% $43,000.00
2 59% $25,370.00
3 46% $19,780.00
4 37% $15,910.00
5 29% $12,470.00

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Shamu

Let me see Kelly Blue Book awarded 2010 370z with high resale award. Didnt ever see the Gen Coupe ever recieve such an award any where? When I checked 5 year residual calculations on the v6 Genesis Coupe they are lower than the 370Z. Hyundais really suck as time goes on. Also look to them to change this car significantly in future which will further tank resale. Hyundai still isn't a mature company in the way they develop and market cars for enthusiast markets. They are still banking on selling decent cars for cheap. You will know Hyundai has arrived when they can sell a car that is better built, has better performance and equal price to the 370z. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Hyundai made fatal mistake of offering the Genesis in 4 cylinder turbo. Those cheap versions of the cars are going to drag the 6 cylinder car down in the long term.

Nissan is much smarter in leaving same V6 power plant in all 370 models and not putting cheap 4 cylinder option in the Z. But then Nissan has a sports car heritage to uphold while Hyundai just wants to sell you a cheap sporty car.

Just put yourself in shoes of a buyer of a used sports car in 5 years. You really going to desire a used hyundai over a 370z? Look at a 5 year old Hyundai sometime. They ain't pretty! Sorta of the toothless crack whores of the used car market,

Just look at real sales of these cars used. Genesis coupe sellers aren't getting what resale analytics indicate.

sonic370

Won't don't you tell us how you really feel! But I do agree

daisuke149

hey mannn my 5 year old sonata is still in great shape it aint no toothy crack whore grand mama!

but thats cus its an 06 when they were looking alot better than the 05's too!

we purchased it for 21k out the door fullllly loaded. we were offered 9k to trade it in, which isnt bad considering the miles on it.

but yeah, when looking at buying a car, i was not considering a used hyundai.

The main problem i have with used hyundai's is that those who think of them as the cheap econo boxes, take less care of them compared to a lexus, or even a used lexus.

dad

The Genesis has only been out since 2008, how did you get 5 years! People buy cars because they like a particular one, not resale value!

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ProfessorDave

I had no idea the car industry was involved in this type of crime! I'm calling 60 minutes.

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