Hyundai Genesis to compete with 370Z now?

daisuke149

I dont disagree with you which is the funny part, just the degree of how bad you say it is.

Again, they didnt make a true enthusiastic sports car so to try and compare it as one is the mistake. What if the comparison said, "IS the 370z as everyday as the genesis coupe??" then the z would look bad.

Hyundai didnt try to capture the true enthusiast market. So they didnt build one. But again they didnt build a bad car if you look at the genesis coupe for what it was built for.

Yeah one thing that hurts the Z is that it only comes with the v6. But then people like us would think that putting the 4 cyl in there would hurt it as well. Nissan decided they dont want to compromise the car to capture a larger market.

going back to the Hyundai, they decided they wanted a larger market share.

Thats all it really is, 2 cars built for 2 different purposes, yet compared against each other as if one is trying to be exactly like the other.

Shamu

Just look at difference in quality of parts and front suspension design. again as a non enthusiast car it packs lots of features and fairly good power to weight ratio but all steel front strut suspension falls short of true sports cars.

Just look at difference of quality and design

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daisuke149

I think were going in circles.

Im saying its not meant to be a true sports car. Hyundai didnt want that. (i was in a few focus groups actually back when they were designing it)

But im also saying its not as bad as people here are saying, its a pretty darn good car. Its just not a true sports car cus it wasnt meant to be, so comparing it to one that is, is the problem.

and then those people (not you) who are like "buahaha its a hyundai" well their just kinda dumb.

Shamu

I'm just saying to educated sportscar enthusiast the Hyundai is not much of a consideration. Pure and simple. And yes Hyundai makes it and it's not a viable sports car for most true enthusiast. So we enthusiasts might just say it's a Hyundai blah blah blah it's not a true sports car and have a point.

For someone looking for a sexy commuter it's great!

GZ3

Great post shamu +rep

I think even if hyundai had all the intentions in the world to make a car to directly compete with the 370Z, they would still fall short. They are way behind and have allot to learn...that is unless...they kidnap some engineers from a true sports car breeder company

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'10Anamoly

This thread has digressed into borderline trolling so I am heading out. If it ends up being faster in the 1/4 and on the track (possible in the 1/4 although I would bet not, less likely on a track) then I think there will be some foot-in-mouth syndrome going around.

I love my Z too and would not swap for a Genesis Coupe, but it does not mean they could never be faster.

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daisuke149

Well, their 6 speed tranny in the sonata is a new design and quite good (purpose built for simplicity and efficiency)... they didnt have to kidnap people there and were not known as the best tranny designers before.

Their diesel motors are quite amazing too, unfortunately they are mostly only in China.. (they didnt kidnap any diesel engineer's to make those)

Their new hybrid in the sonata is the first to use lithium polymer application.. its actually a really good system and again, they didn't kidnap people.

The thing is. Hyundai has the resources, money and technology to make a reallly good sports car. I just think they want to concentrate on a different market.

Just like, toyota could do it, honda could do it, nissan does it etc.

But honda and toyota don't, they want to concentrate on a different market.

again, I think they could do it, but.. if they assign a smaller budget to it than they could, i'd be here doing what '10anamoly said "foot in mouth"

GZ3

Atleast Toyota and Honda have a rich heritage in performance, as does Nissan...Hyundai on the other hand is a new comer. I'm not putting them down in any way, am an enthusiast first and foremost, and you points are well taken, but i feel that they are still JV in the performance scene

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Shamu

I dont think anyone is not agreeing that Hyundai makes a decent value product. Aside from terrible Hyundai resale values , which do add to total cost of ownership, its a fairly decent car in the econo box market. But even FWD MazdaSpeed 3 beats this car out in terms of handling and cost effectiveness which is sort of embarrassing for Hyundai. The Mazda is cheaper. performs better and has more room and has better resale values. About the only thing I think Hyundai has is looks hence my original statement about pigs in lipstick applies pretty well.

Give Hyundai another decade and they might get in realm of well built premium cars. Which might include a Lexus competitor. They are a big company with expanding operations regionally and are trying to make their mark in more premium segments. I really dont think they are there yet but they will eventually get there. The Equus line is definitely a good start in going after more premium segment dominated by Lexus and Infiniti. I sat in one at Pebble Beach Concours and it was ugly looking beast of a 4 door but it was nicely made.

And hey maybe someday there will be several race tracks, sports car culture, in Korea. ...probably not LOL! Japanese still have advantage of a big sports car market, motorsports culture , etc.

dad

Lexus competitor-The Equus is already rated higher than the Lexus! Resale value is no better than the 370Z!

370Z
New 100% $35,080.00
2 54% $18,943.20
3 43% $15,084.40
4 34% $11,927.20
5 28% $9,822.40

3.8-Genesis
New 100% $33,000.00
2 59% $19,470.00
3 46% $15,180.00
4 37% $12,210.00
5 29% $9,570.00


4.6 Genesis
New 100% $43,000.00
2 59% $25,370.00
3 46% $19,780.00
4 37% $15,910.00
5 29% $12,470.00

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I had no idea the car industry was involved in this type of crime! I'm calling 60 minutes.

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