Test drove a 5.0 Today

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

Well... as long as the Z does not have an oil cooler, the Stang will ALWAYS beat it on the track. I still think the Z handily outhandles the Stang from my experience. The slalom numbers have always been a pretty good indicator aside from real world experience. The Z truly does handle more like a Cayman S; the Stang is just not there to me. The 350z may have been the Japanese Mustang, but this 370z feels more like a Japenese Porsche to me.

What mods are you planning for the GT?

I wouldn't say handily outhandles. I think the biggest difference is in feel. The Z is a sports car and has a much more direct, responsive feel than the Mustang. Based on driving the two cars in anger, I feel like the Mustang has a sharper turn-in, better brakes, and overall a better balance. It's very neutral and easy to rotate in the corners unlike the Z which is very understeery from the factory with it's staggered tire setup.

In my opinion the cars achieve similar results but do it in different ways. I don't think the 370Z vs. 5.0 is a good comparison to begin with, but since I left the Z for one I inevitably end up making the comparison in conversation.

I still stand by the fact that these are two of the best cars money can buy at the moment. In a perfect world I will have the 5.0 and a 370Z Roadster.

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 12:18 PM

Keep in mind that's stock for stock.

If I wanted to build a track car I think I'd start with a base 370 coupe and start from there.

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 12:22 PM

Buy what you want now, otherwise you'll spend your whole life waiting for something better.

Demon Z · 09-13-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Buy what you want now, otherwise you'll spend your whole life waiting for something better.

So very true.

FuszNissan · 09-13-2010, 12:39 PM

Should have waited for the 2055! I hear it has plaid speed.

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FuszNissan

Should have waited for the 2055! I hear it has plaid speed.

Shyne · 09-13-2010, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FuszNissan

Should have waited for the 2055! I hear it has plaid speed.

colonel sanders says we're going straight to ludicrous speed.

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 03:10 PM

The gauges always bothered me but for one reason or another I really like them now. And as gimicky as it is, MyColor is awesome.

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 10:12 PM

I still don't think the difference is that great in handling. And I stand by my statement that the Mustang is better balanced. The Z has a lot of understeer from the factory... too much, IMO.

And I don't see how torque is going to be the key to the 2010 Mustang keeping up so well at VIR, a horsepower track. The 370Z is faster in a straight line than the 2010 Mustang GT and slightly better under braking than the track-pack 2010. It's all chassis that's keeping the Mustang close. Not torque. I've run there before and there's no point on that track where the 370Z isn't going to pull a 2010 Mustang (stock for stock).

Anyways, the Z needs an oil cooler but not from the factory. 9 out of 10 Z's that are sold will never see a situation that requires one, so it makes more sense to let the end user deal with it.

Modshack · 09-14-2010, 08:36 AM

For those who haven't seen/read this it's a pretty good review. Pobst is a pretty respected driver. Looks like with a set of shocks, the Mustang would have been the clear winner Vs. a virtual tie... Be sure to watch the video!

M3 Vs the Pony: 2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

m4a1mustang · 09-14-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

For those who haven't seen/read this it's a pretty good review. Pobst is a pretty respected driver. Looks like with a set of shocks, the Mustang would have been the clear winner Vs. a virtual tie... Be sure to watch the video!

M3 Vs the Pony: 2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

Agreed. Shocks and you're all set.

370Zsteve · 09-14-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

For those who haven't seen/read this it's a pretty good review. Pobst is a pretty respected driver. Looks like with a set of shocks, the Mustang would have been the clear winner Vs. a virtual tie... Be sure to watch the video!

M3 Vs the Pony: 2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

Pobst indicated that the Mustang was quite unstable at speed. That would be a thumbs-down in the course of a race. This is a comparison of stock vs stock. Aftermarket shocks would improve the M3 as well, no doubt. And the nose dive...

"The car stands on its nose when you go to brake," says Randy, "And there's a fair amount of squat, so you feel a lot of pitch. It doesn't seem to be hurting the cars braking or entry that much, but it's disconcerting."

The Mustang is a great car, but it's no M3. I'm repeating myself, I guess.

Nitex · 09-14-2010, 09:59 AM

Ok so... for 30+k over the price of the stang, the M3 gives better overall handling/braking dynamics, even by a small margin. Better looks, and more clout? -- just an opinion.

And for the stang vs the Z at relatively the same price the stang gives more straight line speed by a good margin. And overall handling/braking dynamics are slightly better in the Z. Better looks in the Z and i would say street cred is fairly similar between the two cars. The exotic card going in the Z's favor. And stang has the red neck slap your sister on the butt and kiss your mother and like it cred

i kid i kid!

m4a1mustang · 09-14-2010, 09:37 AM

No one ever said it was an M3.

370Zsteve · 09-14-2010, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

No one ever said it was an M3.

A lot is being said that it's as good as an M3. Perhaps, since the 5.0 is a Premium Package and not a stock Mustang, this should be the M3 comparison vehicle?

2011 BMW M3 Competition Package First Drive - Motor Trend

09-13-2010, 12:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Keep in mind that's stock for stock. If I wanted to build a track car I think I'd start with a base 370 coupe and start from there. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-13-2010, 12:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Buy what you want now, otherwise you'll spend your whole life waiting for something better. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-13-2010, 12:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
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09-13-2010, 03:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	The gauges always bothered me but for one reason or another I really like them now. And as gimicky as it is, MyColor is awesome. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-13-2010, 10:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	I still don't think the difference is that great in handling. And I stand by my statement that the Mustang is better balanced. The Z has a lot of understeer from the factory... too much, IMO. And I don't see how torque is going to be the key to the 2010 Mustang keeping up so well at VIR, a horsepower track. The 370Z is faster in a straight line than the 2010 Mustang GT and slightly better under braking than the track-pack 2010. It's all chassis that's keeping the Mustang close. Not torque. I've run there before and there's no point on that track where the 370Z isn't going to pull a 2010 Mustang (stock for stock). Anyways, the Z needs an oil cooler but not from the factory. 9 out of 10 Z's that are sold will never see a situation that requires one, so it makes more sense to let the end user deal with it. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook! Last edited by m4a1mustang; 09-13-2010 at 10:15 PM.

09-14-2010, 08:36 AM	#10 (permalink)
Modshack A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Greenville NC Posts: 2,883 Drives: 370Z Sport Rep Power: 978	For those who haven't seen/read this it's a pretty good review. Pobst is a pretty respected driver. Looks like with a set of shocks, the Mustang would have been the clear winner Vs. a virtual tie... Be sure to watch the video! M3 Vs the Pony: 2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend __________________ Steal my car! (SOLD)...Now Porsche Cayman S Oil Cooler DIY: Here!

09-14-2010, 09:59 AM	#13 (permalink)
Nitex Track Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Seattle Posts: 848 Drives: '13 GTI Stage 2 UNI Rep Power: 18	Ok so... for 30+k over the price of the stang, the M3 gives better overall handling/braking dynamics, even by a small margin. Better looks, and more clout? -- just an opinion. And for the stang vs the Z at relatively the same price the stang gives more straight line speed by a good margin. And overall handling/braking dynamics are slightly better in the Z. Better looks in the Z and i would say street cred is fairly similar between the two cars. The exotic card going in the Z's favor. And stang has the red neck slap your sister on the butt and kiss your mother and like it cred i kid i kid! __________________ 2013 Drivers ED GTI \| Stage 2 Unitronic

09-14-2010, 09:37 AM	#14 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	No one ever said it was an M3. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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