Doing a motor swap might sound like a neat idea but you also got to consider how the motor effects the weight distribution especially seeing as the 370z is front heavy to begin with. Then you got to make sure the rest of the cars drive train can tolerate the added torque and heat generated by the larger my powerful motor, etc. There are many things to take into consideration.

Regarding Magazine times I’m more inclined to trust the numbers they come up with vs. some random people on YouTube, etc. Watching a car run a certain time on YouTube, Street fire, etc doesn’t prove anything. How do you know for sure that car was stock? It’s the same deal with time slips, people lie.

Magazine entities on the other hand generally have no reason (s) to make outrageous claims and do their testing in a controlled environment with state of the art equipment. Yeah some Mags come up with better numbers than others but that could be due to a number of reasons obviously. It doesn’t mean they’re full of **** per say.

What I do is find an average between several different sources and use that number as the benchmark for the particular automobile. Of course it’s not going to be the very best the car can do but it’s generally a very accurate depiction of its capabilities in general.

i was between a 370z and the new mustang, but i chose the mustang, and im not regretting my choice at all. the mustang is a great car, and the aftermarket is endless.

See excellent reasons. So I assume you went with the 5.0? I happen to like the Mustang interior about 10X more than the Zs. Almost bought a Mustang soley on that.

Do not want. Hate Mustangs.

I was completely on the opposite opinion on interior. I liked the Z's much better than the Mustang's. O well, to each his own.

That's cool bro. How's your seeing eye dog doing by the way?

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man with mustangs going turbo and making big power how are we Z guys gonna compete with that? we just running 6 cylinders and they have 8. its like everything japan does american car makers keep making there's faster. do they have a spy in japan or something. like they tell someone in america heys heys nissan has a new Z coming out with 500hp. honda has civic typeR with 450hp equipped with LSD awd make a mustang or camero with 800hp. ya'll know what im talking about? this has always bothered me. =/

I'm starting to see a Train wreck!!!!!!

Don't forget that the GT-R vq38 are all hand made so I would imagine that they are very pricey.. Just get a turbo kit and make 500whp and call it a day. If you want more build the engine and make 800whp or 1000whp... For the loss you would take trading in your 370 and getting a 5.0 and losing that 3-4k more after driving it off the lot you could have a badass 370TT

Here's the thing America wants more hp they just make the engine bigger. Europe or japan wants more hp they research and develope new techs to make more power efficiently.

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Zing!

2010 370Z Touring + Sport 6MT

Invoice: $35835

2011 Mustang GT Premium Coupe 6MT Options: HID, Security, 3.73, Brembo Brake Package

Invoice: $34335

The Mustang is already $1500 cheaper than the 370Z. How will lowering the Z's weight by 300lbs be possible while maintaining the same price range? Nissan simply doesn't have a great track record at controlling rising costs, just look at the cost from a 350z to a 370z. Any substantial increase to the price of a 370Z puts it into the Corvette territory where it will be dominated...hands down.

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yea 5.0, i sat and drove, and being the in the mustang felt right, it was what i wanted, the extra room, the trunk space, better site in the mirrors, and the performance, and much more. i picked it up fully loaded, except nav and glass roof, and im loving every minute of it.

Even the dealer i bought from also sells nissans, and the sales rep also had a 350z, and i told him its between a 370z and the 5.0 and he said, 5.0 is more car for the price, and its what you want. Ford really stepped it up, and its ahead of the 370z.

Someone needs to read up on the new 5.0. This engine is virtually indistinguishable from the 370Z's....well except the two extra pistons.

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I was not suggesting lowering the weight, but boosting the power to where it's effect would be similar to the 'stangs given their repective weights. Weight is where the Z already has the advantage. As far as costs, the 370Z went up well less than a thousand dollars in all catagories compared to the 2008 350Z.

Do you mind me asking where you picked it up from as the dealer I got my Z from also sells Fords?

:iagree:Thanks for the validation. Ford didn't develope a new engine they just copied an existing one and made it bigger

route 23 automall in butler, had like 3 dealers looking at 5.0's with brembo package, and found one comin in from there, and had one of the sales rep, keep me in the loop of when it was coming in, called me on a friday afternoon, saying it came in this morning, and by saturday afternoon, it was in my garage.

I got mine in Flemington on Rt. 202/31

cool, i was really patient, since i was lookin at a new vehicle since last summer, almost bought a 370z, but wanted to see if those 5.0 coyote rumors were true. And im very glad i did wait.

The Mustang really is a solid car and my old Stang never gave me any problems ever. I'm happy that I went with the Z, but I certainly don't think I would of made a bad descsion if I had bought a Mustang instead.

I find it sad how many people suddenly value their automobiles less as faster / better performing ones come out. It’s as if the only important aspect of a car is how fast it goes from point A to point B. This kind of thinking completely neglects the sort of things which make cars truly great and enjoyable to drive. Unfortunately, impressing friends, girlfriends, etc takes precedents over driving dynamics, driver feedback, and the joy of driving a thoroughly great engineered “driver’s car” amongst a host of other important aspects. For example, recently I read this great comparative test between the Corvette Grand Sport, Lotus Evora and Porsche Cayman S. To sum up the results obviously the Corvette has a lot more power and thus runs faster in a straight line.

It even ran the fastest time around the track (Button Willow Raceway Park) but not because it was the best handling car, but because it was able to power down the straights faster. So the Corvette is faster meaning it’s the best right? Sadly, this is how most (American’s at least) think and probably the reason why imports are generally so much better. But anyway the Porsche wins by virtue of being the best over all sports cars and I couldn’t agree more. If my budget was say 51-53k I’d most likely buy a base Porsche Cayman, obviously not the fastest car but I bet I’d have more fun driving it vs. practically any other car in that price range. I wouldn’t be dwelling over how much faster a 30k Mustang GT is that’s for sure because it doesn't matter.

Yes the VQ is pretty much max out and it is pretty unrefined. It's defiantly not the best motor out there by a long shot. And it could defiantly use a good dose of Torque and that Torque needs to begin sooner in the RPM range. Believe it or not the 370z isn't perfect hence the reason I'm holding off to see what happens within the next yr or so.

Try reading more often. I can't pin point exactly where I've read about the topic because I read so much but if you try doing a bit of research I'm al most certain you'll run into it. If I recall I’ll post the source but it really shouldn’t be so hard to believe regardless. The VQ is pretty unrefined / low on torque, the limited slip is sub par and there are issues with the oil over heating, etc. It might be a tough pill for you to swallow but the facts are the facts. Lastly, if you don't think the VQ could use some work try driving a few other cars. But don't drive a new Boxter / Cayman S because you'll walk away really depressed. I'm not saying it's a POS or anything but being in denial doesn't help improve anything. You live and learn.

No, I am talking about the quote in bold.
You have zero information on any of this, the reason I know so is because I read more of this BS information everyday than I care to.

On the note of the high oil, LSD, etc. Well...duh, everyone on here knows that, but the fact remains that it is "good enough" for street use. You want to track this car or start throwing on forced induction, of course you are going to need to upgrade those components, you will have on any car in the 30k price range.

LOL... the VG and VQ engines are great and reliable engines. I didn't know they were crap. I'm speaking from experience.

Cardio, what do you drive and why?

:iagree: the VQ has been on the Ward's magazine best 10 engines every year from 1995 to 2008.

Ward's 10 Best Engines

Ford didn't develop the engine? In that case, I assume you understand that 4valves per cylinder and variable valve timing on both intake and exhaust didn't originate in the 370Z, correct?

From the WIKI:

The first variable valve timing systems came into existence in the nineteenth century on steam engines. Stephenson valve gear, as used on early steam locomotives, supported variable cutoff, that is, changes to the time at which the admission of steam to the cylinders is cut off during the power stroke.

DAMM those nissan engineers for ripping off our steam technology!!!!! :mad:

And damn those French! I know for a fact that the Ford Ranger tranny and/or diff is manufactured in France and then shipped here for final install at the factory. Who would have thunk it? lol

I just heard a French, on the Range, with a Tranny.... :bowrofl::roflpuke2:

The VHR is an awesome engine, please tell me your at least making these statements based on first hand experience, and not just mag articles or a brief test drive? And i dont think anyone on here is saying this is the best motor out there by any stretch especially being at 30k range. There is no perfect engine and if thats what your waiting for, you might as well cut your losses and get a bicycle.

For one I answered your question, don't play dumb.

Second, a sub par limited slip, oil cooling, brakes, etc are things that could use work and not every 30-40k car requires this for track use.

It's obvious you're in massive denial.

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Really? Is that why I tell people they should get an oil cooler, upgrade brakes, etc. if hitting the track? I am not in the denial at all, I know those parts on this car would use some TLC from factory to compete with more heavy hitters.

Second, you did not answer my question, I said nothing about oil cooler, LSD, etc. I asked about where you got your information on the Mercedes engine, upgrades to the car (oil cooler standard), etc. You jumped past these points and went on your own tangent of how "sub-par" these parts are without providing a shred of valid evidence to my direct question.

Did I say I was waiting for a "perfect" engine?? You're making it seem as though the VQ is nearly "perfect" when that couldn't be farther from the truth as I stated. It's low on torque and sounds like a pickup truck in the upper RPMS. Like I said, get some experience under your belt so that you havea basis of comparison. Get a bicycle? Cut my losses? You sound like you got sand up in you clit for real.