You are still here? :ugh2:

Fellas, JOIN ME IN PRAYER!!!

More real estate for the money = good, right? :ugh2:

You asked the question numb nuts.

I replied and your feelings obviously hurt.

Make sure it has goods brakes, hate for you to be thrashing it one day and cannot slow down and make sure you buy the newer model. It has an oil cooler for those long sessions of riding it fast. :ughdance:

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Ok people, I am going to buy a Mustang

I thought you wanted a Camaro?

Maybe I'll get a Pinto!

LSD fantastic...(lol good one Dreamer :rofl2:)

But this one makes me cranky. Zero issues with the car...drive like a little girl...Okay genius, explain the logic of this one.

Better yet, post a picture of your car. And a Carfax while you're at it. If it doesn't have dents or a rebuilt engine, you aren't driving fast enough. Contrary to popular belief, 88 mph is NOT enough anymore.

I'm also making sure to install Miata doors for that extra safety factor. :tup:

Now the question is, do I wait for a Mercedes engine and upgraded LSD?!

Pfht, apparently not good unless it has both, what you want to be a girl driver?

Man, it couldn't be more obvious how upset you are about the prospect (s) of your model car being upgraded in the future. But yeah I'll locate the information here shortly but do me a favor and don't fall into deep depression thinking about the new and improved Z in the mean time.

Trust me good sir, that I will only cut myself across the street instead of down the lane until I hear from you. :rolleyes:

Wow, I didn't think it was possible but you're actually getting dumber with each and every post!

(re read what I posted) You obviously didn't get it..

Rebuilt engine or I'm not driving fast enough?? Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense.

You think 88mph is fast in a MS3? LOL, I've hit and sustained 155+ plenty of times

Are you living your life a 1/4 mile at a time? If not, :gtfo2:

Hey mrcardio, what are you wearing?

BRE Nissan 370Z & Datsun 240Z - Car News - RoadandTrack.com

"The BRE Tribute car is a Nissan 370Z built by Stillen essentially to the SCCA’s T2 class rules. As such, it’s not overly tweaked. It has a gutted interior and a cage, plus race seats and belts. The car started out as a 2009 Touring Sport model, to which Nismo bodywork, wheels and shocks were added, the last teamed with Eibach springs that lower the car a bit. Stillen anti-roll bars are fitted to the car front and rear, and the 4-cam 3.7-liter V-6 is untouched internally. It is, however, stripped of its catalytic converter and fitted with a Stillen cat-back exhaust, a reflashed ECU, a Nissan Motorsports oil cooler, an aluminum flywheel and a heavy-duty clutch. Power is in the neighborhood of 350 bhp, and stock brakes (with braided stainless-steel lines and Hawk pads) handle stopping chores. The car also had a stock viscous limited-slip differential, although Nissan plans to fit the car with a tougher clutch-type LSD from Nissan Comp soon.

Second session in the car, with all driver aids turned off, I’m having more fun. It’s hot, over 100 degrees, and I’m keeping an eye on oil temps as I continue to be impressed with how well the new Z hides its 3300-lb. curb weight and laps with no apparent vices. It’s clearly better damped than a stock Z. Toward the end of the session, though, I notice more inside rear wheelspin on corner exit, an indicator that the limited-slip diff was not working well. Turns out that differential cooler hadn’t been installed on the car yet, and our lapping on a hot day proved too much for the diff. Our best lap of 1 min. 55.53 sec. would have been considerably better had the car been on Hoosiers and fitted with the limited-slip diff from Nismo, with a remote cooler."

So I was unable to visit Fast Lane last week to check this car out, but I might get to see it soon as I have been informed of a few Mustang meets that I may attend and they might bring this car out (one event is a 1/4 mile night).

He didn't answer my question :(

That entire article refers to the BRE Tribute car that has the listed modifications. Nissan I'm sure will support the car build by providing a better than stock LSD. It is, after all, a tribute car, and I think it would serve the company well to have a good, recognizable Z like that.

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cro...z-2_460x0w.jpg

However, the article says nothing about rolling that onto new model Zs on a go-forward basis. Go ahead, read it again. I'll wait.

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Just because it's good on a race car, or a 'tribute car' as they call it, doesn't mean it's a decision Nissan will make on the regular Zs. Most drivers will NOT push the car to the limits and feel the necessity of an upgraded LSD. So why bother? People will be paying for a part that they cannot take full advantage of. The benefits of a better LSD does not quantify the additional cost required from a corporate standpoint. I will be VERY surprised if Nissan is willing to increase the Z's already hefty price to accommodate a new LSD. It's just not a practical decision to make right now.

Okay, now it's HUGELY apparent you're terrified of the possibility of Nissan improving the 370z! Nissan and other manufactures learn through these types of experiences and new / better technologies often make their way into the production car as a result. Besides, it’s not like the Z in the article was a full blown race car or anything. The bottom line is that Nissan is aware that the current LSD is less than adequate for much more than cursing the blvd. And it's not just the LSD but several other aspects of the car that can use improvement.

I have nightmares about the getting better! I then wake up and scream. I also have the shakes and cold sweats

You do know that Nissan also offers the car without the LSD right?
Nissan is well aware of making changes for this car. The 350z had very good brakes, but guess what? People were unhappy with the amount of noise and dust created so with the 370z they backed off on the pads and made them more "street" friendly. Same thing with a lot of other items that people wish they would upgrade from factory but Nissan over the years have come to want to please the majority not the minority. Nothing wrong with this, gives the chance for those of us who want to put better parts on our car not overpay from factory for items we do not need or want, or feel we can get better elsewhere.

Good lord, think about it from a COST standpoint already. I tried to point that out to you before, and you don't listen. You must be an engineer or something because you get your head wrapped up in all the technological details, and forget there is still a FINANCIAL aspect of designing and manufacturing any type of hardware.

Do you honestly think that a race-ready LSD will make its way to the masses? It is a VERY SMALL percentage of people in the world who will push the car to its limit, no matter a Z or a Ferrari. To those people, yes, the LSD will make them very happy, and they will pony up for the additional parts. I'm sure you're one of those people who would love to see this, considering you live your life a quarter-mile at a time.

To the rest of the masses who use a car to go from point A to point B, why do they care that they get a race-ready LSD? How does it affect their drive down a crowded freeway to get to work? The simple answer is IT DOES NOT. Would you buy a part that you will never get full value for? I doubt it, and I think the average and sensible driver would do away with it if it can save them some money. Especially with the economy gone (and continuing to go) to Hell.

Fact of the matter is, Nissan has already performed a cost-benefit trade study on the Z, and has determined the car is good enough as-is to support the biggest market it possibly can, from the low-end 'looking for a nice new car with enough fast out of the box' all the way to the top 'i'm going to make 1000hp with this thing'. Also, one of the last great things the Z has going for it is its overall value for the money, and even now the original designer thinks it's too expensive already. You start putting all this excess technology the typical driver does not need, you unnecessarily drive the cost point of the car up, and alienate buyers who might have bought for a couple thousand cheaper, all the while cheapening the legacy of the Nissan Z.

Again, car manufacturers are looking to please the majority of buyers. You want specialized? Go get yourself a damn Ferrari already.

And before you even start spewing that I'm afraid of the Z getting upgraded - I'm sure the next-generation Z will have some new tech or whatnot. I understand that. I look forward to new technology in future cars. But the 370Z was JUST released in 2009. It is far too early to be shelving the design already, so I don't expect to see anything happening for another few years at the minimum. And even then I will not love my Z any less - it already brings a smile to my face everyday, I can't fathom why a few nuts and bolts would change that in the future.

You're sort of going off on the tangent now...

The point is this - The 370z is supposedly a "sports car" right? A sports car should be as sports car does. The current viscous LSD, oil cooling unit, and to a lesser extent brake pads (not really a big deal) aren't up to sports car specs by any stretch of the imagination. Yes of course you can void your warranty and go after market but that in many ways defeats the purpose of purchasing a new car. I really want to like the car and in many ways I do but I'm hoping Nissan ups the ante and improves the weak areas even if it does cost me a bit more.

Otherwise, I'll just have to look into something else. If I wanted an automobile with boulevard cruiser spec components I'd be looking at a G37 or something. But I'm pretty confident Nissan will come through. Skid pad, braking, slalom, figure eight figures etc are one thing but being able to sustain that performance is what is much more important.

How does the current LSD, oil cooling, brakes make it any less of a sports car, please let me know?

Basically the LSD viscously slips the differential in a limited fashion, so it's pretty fast. Probably adds about 20hp or so at the flywheel since it gets rid of the parasitic drag of the wheels for the most part. Couple it with some Miata doors and you'll be flying, literally.

this thread has gone way off topic. can we go back to bashing mustangs? :D

Only if you give us some LSD. :hello:

Check Please!!

A new day! Get your coffee and start arguing mrcardio!

Did someone say coffee :yum:

I got some coffee actually.

This thread still open? Damn this has got to be a record for a Mustang thread

Even though this thread went to ****, hahaha, I just got an update on this car.

Looks like it made a pass at 10 PSI - 613 RWHP and 598 RWTQ. Not bad for an auto, although I'm sure it's life is limited. No video yet, or more details.

A true sports car can run more than a couple hard laps without oil temps sky rocketing, its LSD not working the way it should and brakes that perform up to par longer than a few minutes of track work.

Like I said, hopefully Nissan fixes these issues and comes up with a new engine while they're at it. The rest of the car is pretty decent IMO, just needs decent LSD w/ remoter cooler, oil cooler, appropriate pads, and less trashy, more torque, better sounding motor.

I would definitely expect it to cost a good 2-4k more to start but if that means a proper sports car with proper equipment I’m game. Perhaps Nissan could still offer then Z with the sub par LSD, trashy VQ, etc for a lower price and make everyone happy.

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