Toyota FT-86/FR-S

iff2mastamatt · 04-23-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mjd77

I'll admit, the concept looks absolutely awesome, but I can assure you we are in for a HUGE disappointment when the final specs are confirmed. It will be all show, no go. Subaru will be the one that eventually ends up with the big boy version of this car.

What really pisses me off is that IMO, an ideal balanced car in the affordable sports car segment should be between 2800-3000 lbs with 275-300 hp. It's almost as if it can't be done. Out of all the car brands I don't think there is a single car that fits those specs. The Z and the RX-8 are probably the 2 closest cars to that range. The 8 needs about 50 more HP and the Z needs to lose about 2-3oo lbs.

I think the FR-S is targeted to perspective buyers as being a sporty/fuel-economic car. It is more of a CR-Z competitor than anything else, except without the hybrid aspect. If it can get 30 mpg and go 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds, I think that is admirable.

theDreamer · 04-23-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

I think the FR-S is targeted to perspective buyers as being a sporty/fuel-economic car. It is more of a CR-Z competitor than anything else, except without the hybrid aspect. If it can get 30 mpg and go 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds, I think that is admirable.

Which is why people will be upset.
I think most were hoping for a lightweight RWD sport coupe, MPG is not something they should be considering, just a bonus if it happens.

mjd77 · 04-23-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Which is why people will be upset.
I think most were hoping for a lightweight RWD sport coupe, MPG is not something they should be considering, just a bonus if it happens.

Just imagine if the V-6 Mustang could lose about 400 lbs. It would then come in around 3000, with 300 hp and you could probably get 35mpg in mostly highway driving. I don't see any reason why nearly every brand couldn't create an affordable sports car/coupe near that spec range.

Red__Zed · 04-23-2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mjd77

Just imagine if the V-6 Mustang could lose about 400 lbs. It would then come in around 3000, with 300 hp and you could probably get 35mpg in mostly highway driving. I don't see any reason why nearly every brand couldn't create an affordable sports car/coupe near that spec range.

Safety regulations.

mjd77 · 04-27-2011, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Safety regulations.

I don't buy that "we can't make cars much lighter because of safety regulations" crap. If safety regs. cause a need for added weight, how does Lotus get away with a 2100 lb car with 200hp?

Red__Zed · 04-27-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mjd77

I don't buy that "we can't make cars much lighter because of safety regulations" crap. If safety regs. cause a need for added weight, how does Lotus get away with a 2100 lb car with 200hp?

There's nothing to them.

theDreamer · 04-27-2011, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mjd77

I don't buy that "we can't make cars much lighter because of safety regulations" crap. If safety regs. cause a need for added weight, how does Lotus get away with a 2100 lb car with 200hp?

It is safety regulations, and to make it the same weight or lighter requires more expensive equipment which raise the price.

Isamu · 04-27-2011, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

It is safety regulations, and to make it the same weight or lighter requires more expensive equipment which raise the price.

which makes sense.. the lotus is almost twice as much as this 'yota...

mo money mo problems... but less weight

iff2mastamatt · 05-15-2011, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mjd77

I don't buy that "we can't make cars much lighter because of safety regulations" crap. If safety regs. cause a need for added weight, how does Lotus get away with a 2100 lb car with 200hp?

There are rumours that the FR-S might be around 2200 lbs, but don't take my word for that.

Lug · 05-16-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

There are rumours that the FR-S might be around 2200 lbs, but don't take my word for that.

Not in a million years. A 2010 Miata weighs in at over 2400 lbs.

Zaggeron · 05-16-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

There are rumours that the FR-S might be around 2200 lbs, but don't take my word for that.

The concept 1 car supposedly weighed in at 1000KG -- which is about 2200 lbs, but there's no way that will make it into production -- I dunno whether that even made it into concept 2. I'd be happy with 2700lbs. Given today's weights, that's a lightweight car

Lug · 04-23-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

I think the FR-S is targeted to perspective buyers as being a sporty/fuel-economic car. It is more of a CR-Z competitor than anything else, except without the hybrid aspect. If it can get 30 mpg and go 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds, I think that is admirable.

The 6 banger Mustang does better than that for about $22K, MSRP.

Jordo! · 04-23-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

The 6 banger Mustang does better than that for about $22K, MSRP.

Yeah, but it will corner like a dump truck by comparison

That said, don't get me wrong -- I'm in the "this car needs decent HP" camp. A lot of the fan base apparently is unconcerned with how fast this thing is in a straight line.

iff2mastamatt · 04-24-2011, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Yeah, but it will corner like a dump truck by comparison

That said, don't get me wrong -- I'm in the "this car needs decent HP" camp. A lot of the fan base apparently is unconcerned with how fast this thing is in a straight line.

Correctomundo. Toyota wants this to be a "cornering car", but it would be nice if it can compete with similar cars in it's price range in a straight line. I'm afraid that it will be over $25K and have under 200hp, thus making more like an RX-8 than a Z. We can only wait for the final specs to be released...

DJ-of-E · 04-26-2011, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

Correctomundo. Toyota wants this to be a "cornering car", but it would be nice if it can compete with similar cars in it's price range in a straight line. I'm afraid that it will be over $25K and have under 200hp, thus making more like an RX-8 than a Z. We can only wait for the final specs to be released...

I'm fine with that. Everything has to start somewhere. At the end, all car companies car about is the bottom line. I don't think Toyota would car about performance if they could sell bajillion of the cars, like the tC.

I mean, how the heck did Scion tC got so many sales between 2004 - 2007? Price and looks. I'm pretty sure performance isn't something Toyota wants if it can't move metal to the people. Hell, there are more convertible mustangs sold in U.S. than 370z.

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