Toyota FT-86/FR-S

Lemers

I'll believe that when I see it. It takes time to go from concept to production line. Even if that concept is near production.

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Red__Zed

Most of the hard work is done. Chassis and engine are completely production ready.

Gunzero

Looks like my next car The lines are very sleek and exotic.

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DJ-of-E

I actually like the MK1 rear a whole lot more than this one. Though I'm not sure if the fron bumper would stay because it's not gonna fit into EU safety standards (hence why a lot of cars has egg shape front).

180HP and 2800lbs is NOT considered light by past means. That's pretty much prelude standards, and they're considered "slower" cars around the track when compared to RSX and Civic in the Honda line. My Celica is 2550lbs and it has 180hp, 164hp on the wheels. I'm sure this has more torque, but 30lbs of torque will not make up the extra 300+ lbs.

iff2mastamatt

I added a video of the debut of the 3rd concept in the original post if any of you were interested, it might clear up some of your questions.

kenchan

not bad for a toyata.

Jordo!

It's beautiful -- but needs turbo!

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mjd77

I'll admit, the concept looks absolutely awesome, but I can assure you we are in for a HUGE disappointment when the final specs are confirmed. It will be all show, no go. Subaru will be the one that eventually ends up with the big boy version of this car.


What really pisses me off is that IMO, an ideal balanced car in the affordable sports car segment should be between 2800-3000 lbs with 275-300 hp. It's almost as if it can't be done. Out of all the car brands I don't think there is a single car that fits those specs. The Z and the RX-8 are probably the 2 closest cars to that range. The 8 needs about 50 more HP and the Z needs to lose about 2-3oo lbs.

iff2mastamatt

I think the FR-S is targeted to perspective buyers as being a sporty/fuel-economic car. It is more of a CR-Z competitor than anything else, except without the hybrid aspect. If it can get 30 mpg and go 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds, I think that is admirable.

theDreamer

Which is why people will be upset.
I think most were hoping for a lightweight RWD sport coupe, MPG is not something they should be considering, just a bonus if it happens.

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mjd77

Just imagine if the V-6 Mustang could lose about 400 lbs. It would then come in around 3000, with 300 hp and you could probably get 35mpg in mostly highway driving. I don't see any reason why nearly every brand couldn't create an affordable sports car/coupe near that spec range.

Red__Zed

Safety regulations.

Lug

The 6 banger Mustang does better than that for about $22K, MSRP.

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Jordo!

Yeah, but it will corner like a dump truck by comparison

That said, don't get me wrong -- I'm in the "this car needs decent HP" camp. A lot of the fan base apparently is unconcerned with how fast this thing is in a straight line.

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iff2mastamatt

Correctomundo. Toyota wants this to be a "cornering car", but it would be nice if it can compete with similar cars in it's price range in a straight line. I'm afraid that it will be over $25K and have under 200hp, thus making more like an RX-8 than a Z. We can only wait for the final specs to be released...