Z vs Supra

Originally Posted by DLSTR

Junk? LOL. How do you know as a fact BMW is junk? My Z as reliable as it was needed an oil cooler to do what it was capable of doing and needed all new front brakes in less than 40,000kms.

Nissan utterly lied about it oil cooling capability with well placed and hidden coolers for test drives by the press. Lets not make idiotic accusations without facts.

Most folks Ive met who complain dont bother reading the owners manual and at times are unable to understand use effectively the machines they buy.

Even with Sport Brakes my Z was not as capable as my M235i which was a first year production 235 and was utterly bullet proof. One set of rotors replaced due wear and not the insane warping the Z's had. Filters, oil and tires. The Z was actually not cheaper to own. My M2 - superb, ZERO issues.
My 440i superb. None of my BMW's burned oil and in fact used 1 liter or less between 15000km changes lol.

Ok Im lucky. Or is it that the cars are well made. In car ownership its a bit of both. The CSC manual gearbox issue with the Z was well known. All cars have issues. Many are mechanical some are owners who bought the wrong car and or dont know how it works lol.

I tell all people my Z was a good car. Not perfect. No car is.

Toyota picked BMW inline 6 as a good engine for the Supra. Do some research on it. Strong, reliable and easily tuned for big power. The gearbox is a race proven unit and is the BEST AT on the market. All my cars have it. My M2 has the DCT. I dont miss manuals at all. Had plenty of them. If you at all serious about putting power to use, manuals are least preferred option.

I think new the new Corvette is the best sportscar per unit of cost on the market. No manual. Cant build enough can they .......................

Originally Posted by *J*ap***V*et*

Yea, I said it....most BMWS are junk...seen far too many of them (newer style models) breakdown with actual competent owners. Same with the cost of repairs. As for the new corvette, you mean a car damn near triple the price of everything we've mentioned lmao. No car is perfect and you are correct, but I'd rather push a Z than drive a Big Money Waster....nice novel you wrote btw

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

Certain makes have “reputations” some earned, some not regarding reliability, cost of maintenance etc. most of these opinions are usually based on outdated data.

For example, Honda and Toyota are super reliable. Was true compared to all other makes 20-30+ years ago, today they’re still riding that positive stereotype to the bank but it’s not true and hasn’t been for a couple decades now.

Another one, Audis are unreliable and expensive money pits. True-ish in the past (pre 2014), but like dlstr stated, if you are a educated consumer, then you should know your expected running costs going in. Today tho, Audi is a very reliable make, personal experience with three different ones in our family going back to 2014. Zero major, moderate issues. And only a couple extremely minor issues.

One last one, Jeep, has a reputation for being pos vehicles. To be fair, they do deserve a lot of that from past issues. However, we’ve owned 4 wranglers over the past 20 years, 2 TJs, 1 JKUR, and one JLUR. Still have the JK and JL. Only the second TJ had issues, a paint issue and a recurring cowl leak, the other three were/are flawless. For a supposedly pos vehicle, that’s not bad eh?

Ferrari and Lamborghini are total shitboxes if you are planning on owning one and driving 10k plus per year, if they get to 100k miles that’s a miracle and running costs are through the roof.

Ask anyone who owns one if they’d rather have a z or corvette bc they’re more reliable and cheaper and see what happens. Those folks can afford the “cost of ownership”.

Umm, what were we talking about again?

Originally Posted by Zingston

Dude, I can't remember either...

Originally Posted by *J*ap***V*et*

Who knows anymore man lmao!! I was mostly kidding anyway but anyone with the ability to navigate Google can say that BMW just isn't what it used to be.