Kia Stinger.... Theyre passing Nissan.

NJZGuy · 01-31-2017, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Unless the Nismo gets over 500HP, I'm not sure we need more pistons. But they should improve on the current design to facilitate better cooling and function. Maybe a ceramic option would be nice but would you pay the extra $10,000 for a ceramic brake kit??? We don't have the Rouge brakes. The rouge had our brakes....

Yeah, but the Sport Package brakes are better. And since the Z isn't a 600+ HP supercar, then I don't see the point in ceramics

Hotrodz · 01-31-2017, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NJZGuy

Yeah, but the Sport Package brakes are better. And since the Z isn't a 600+ HP supercar, then I don't see the point in ceramics

You still don't need them! Ceramic brakes are over kill and not needed unless you are doing serious tracking...endurance racing!

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UNKNOWN_370 · 01-31-2017, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NJZGuy

Yeah, but the Sport Package brakes are better. And since the Z isn't a 600+ HP supercar, then I don't see the point in ceramics

Our Z brakes are better than what? I'm lost. Than Rouge brakes? Or better than ceramic brakes?

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-31-2017, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NJZGuy

Yeah, but the Sport Package brakes are better. And since the Z isn't a 600+ HP supercar, then I don't see the point in ceramics

Our Z brakes are better than what? I'm lost. Than Rouge brakes? Or better than ceramic brakes?

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

You still don't need them! Ceramic brakes are over kill and not needed unless you are doing serious tracking...endurance racing!

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Ceramics feel amazing but just not necessary on any application. Our brakes need to be re-engineered for weight reduction and improved cooling. Our brakes are very good. Especially at the price point. But we need aftermarket pads. I added the stop tech rotors, brake lines pads n motul rbf 600 to my sport brakes. It was a $700 MOD along with the GTR brake cooling upgrade. $220. I definitely improved brake performance significantly which means that there's a lot of room for improvement on very good Z brakes.

Hopefully next gen well see performance closer to my modded stock Z brakes

Hotrodz · 02-01-2017, 08:03 AM

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Ceramics feel amazing but just not necessary on any application. Our brakes need to be re-engineered for weight reduction and improved cooling. Our brakes are very good. Especially at the price point. But we need aftermarket pads. I added the stop tech rotors, brake lines pads n motul rbf 600 to my sport brakes. It was a $700 MOD along with the GTR brake cooling upgrade. $220. I definitely improved brake performance significantly which means that there's a lot of room for improvement on very good Z brakes.

Hopefully next gen well see performance closer to my modded stock Z brakes[/QUOTE]

Agreed...I have done the same; SS brake lines, better brake pads, Castro brake fluid (the good stuff lol), APR brake ducts, Stillen brake cooling and Z1 master cylinder brace. So yes there is a lot of room for improvement and if they are wanting to keep up with the competition, they will upgrade the brakes as did Ford and GM have done.

Nithmo · 02-21-2017, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Agreed...I have done the same; SS brake lines, better brake pads, Castro brake fluid (the good stuff lol), APR brake ducts, Stillen brake cooling and Z1 master cylinder brace. So yes there is a lot of room for improvement and if they are wanting to keep up with the competition, they will upgrade the brakes as did Ford and GM have done.

I have a sneaking suspicion you might end up dissapointed. The best I figure we will see is Nissan returning to Brembos again. I hope they do, but I'm not holding my breath. Switching to Akebonos was a cost cutting measure, over the arguably more expensive and better Brembos from the Z33.

I dunno... Just look at the Z34 price point. We already know (or suspect) the 400hp TT setup is coming. Now add Brembos on top and whatever other improvements we want to see over the Z34, shiiiiiiet... We might be asking for a car that really does hit the 60k mark. Would you be willing to pay that price?

I'm secretly hoping Nissan pulls a magic card out of their *** and gives us the car [most] of us want, at a price [most] of us are willing to pay, but I guess time will tell if it actually hits the mark.

You're right in saying that GM and Ford added nice brakes, in addition to a ton of power and pretty nice handling suspensions (or at least way nicer than they did in the past), but one thing they didn't give a crap about was weight- the Z34 uses extensive amounts of aluminum and Nissan did their best to keep the weight down... That in itself isn't cheap. So which would you prefer? I doubt Nissan will give us everything.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-21-2017, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Nithmo

I have a sneaking suspicion you might end up dissapointed. The best I figure we will see is Nissan returning to Brembos again. I hope they do, but I'm not holding my breath. Switching to Akebonos was a cost cutting measure, over the arguably more expensive and better Brembos from the Z33.

I dunno... Just look at the Z34 price point. We already know (or suspect) the 400hp TT setup is coming. Now add Brembos on top and whatever other improvements we want to see over the Z34, shiiiiiiet... We might be asking for a car that really does hit the 60k mark. Would you be willing to pay that price?

I'm secretly hoping Nissan pulls a magic card out of their *** and gives us the car [most] of us want, at a price [most] of us are willing to pay, but I guess time will tell if it actually hits the mark.

You're right in saying that GM and Ford added nice brakes, in addition to a ton of power and pretty nice handling suspensions (or at least way nicer than they did in the past), but one thing they didn't give a crap about was weight- the Z34 uses extensive amounts of aluminum and Nissan did their best to keep the weight down... That in itself isn't cheap. So which would you prefer? I doubt Nissan will give us everything.

If the infiniti doesn't have Brembo? We won't have Brembo. Nissan decided to go parts bin instead of the original plan and giving the Z a proprietary platform. So expect a lot of carry over from the infiniti on the Z.

Nithmo · 02-21-2017, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

If the infiniti doesn't have Brembo? We won't have Brembo. Nissan decided to go parts bin instead of the original plan and giving the Z a proprietary platform. So expect a lot of carry over from the infiniti on the Z.

I can't say I'm surprised. Cars just cost so damn much to develop these days. But yeah, obviously Nissan is going the same route as they did with the z34 and z33. The only way I could see them going the route of a proprietary platform is if there was a cheap base model that they intend on selling many thousands of. But even that doesn't sound so compelling. I bought my Z bcause I don't see 50-100 of them everyday, like I do with the mustang.

It's moments like these I wish Nissan wasn't a publicly traded company, where they were hellbent on maximizing profits, year after year.

Hotrodz · 02-21-2017, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nithmo

I have a sneaking suspicion you might end up dissapointed. The best I figure we will see is Nissan returning to Brembos again. I hope they do, but I'm not holding my breath. Switching to Akebonos was a cost cutting measure, over the arguably more expensive and better Brembos from the Z33.

I dunno... Just look at the Z34 price point. We already know (or suspect) the 400hp TT setup is coming. Now add Brembos on top and whatever other improvements we want to see over the Z34, shiiiiiiet... We might be asking for a car that really does hit the 60k mark. Would you be willing to pay that price?

I'm secretly hoping Nissan pulls a magic card out of their *** and gives us the car [most] of us want, at a price [most] of us are willing to pay, but I guess time will tell if it actually hits the mark.

You're right in saying that GM and Ford added nice brakes, in addition to a ton of power and pretty nice handling suspensions (or at least way nicer than they did in the past), but one thing they didn't give a crap about was weight- the Z34 uses extensive amounts of aluminum and Nissan did their best to keep the weight down... That in itself isn't cheap. So which would you prefer? I doubt Nissan will give us everything.

Agreed, but one can hope. The Camero was also put on a diet and is not as heavy as it was now that it has a aluminum frame. My car with me and a full tank of fuel are 3450 lbs.

Nissan has us by the short hairs and they know it because even with the cars short comings there are no real competitors as been said over and over. I love my z, I was the only one a the track one this past weekend and the professional photographer that was the only one that take and sale pictures took 47 pictures of my car over the weekend. When my buddy asked her why she took so many pictures of it, she said because it's different and it's fast. I like taking pictures of the unique cars!

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Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	[QUOTE=UNKNOWN_370;3610172 Ceramics feel amazing but just not necessary on any application. Our brakes need to be re-engineered for weight reduction and improved cooling. Our brakes are very good. Especially at the price point. But we need aftermarket pads. I added the stop tech rotors, brake lines pads n motul rbf 600 to my sport brakes. It was a $700 MOD along with the GTR brake cooling upgrade. $220. I definitely improved brake performance significantly which means that there's a lot of room for improvement on very good Z brakes. Hopefully next gen well see performance closer to my modded stock Z brakes[/QUOTE] Agreed...I have done the same; SS brake lines, better brake pads, Castro brake fluid (the good stuff lol), APR brake ducts, Stillen brake cooling and Z1 master cylinder brace. So yes there is a lot of room for improvement and if they are wanting to keep up with the competition, they will upgrade the brakes as did Ford and GM have done. UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

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