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jshare1 · 07-10-2015, 01:23 PM

Q50s ?

RicerX · 07-10-2015, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jshare1

Q50s ?

Your timing with this post is impeccable - you been following me around today or something?

I'm going to Infiniti this afternoon to check one out. It's highly likely that, because of my discount, a bit of negative equity in the Z, and the fact that a house purchase will need to happen in the next year or so, that a Q50S lease would be the perfect stop-gap provided I actually like the car.

We shall see how the 7AT is in it. If it works out, then the one I would be getting is Malbec Black with stone interior and the performance wheel package (MY13+ 370Z Rays).

Super sharp looking car - the complete other side of the more utilitarian STI. About $46k though. I'm curious to see how I feel about it compared to the STI as far as driving dynamics. (I'm probably the strangest dude ever in that I'm cross-shopping those two cars).

The Q50 would be the only car I'd be prepared to make a concession for with respect to my manual transmission requirement, and that's mainly because I'm a fan of its powertrain and the fact that I would have to change nothing about the fluids and filters I buy and use. It would be very nice.

JARblue · 07-10-2015, 01:44 PM

I am very interested in what you think of the handling, or more specifically, the steering

I drove my buddy's Q50S Hybrid and just felt disconnected. I don't think the extra hybrid weight was a factor, but maybe? His was an older model (first year I think). Overall, I cannot deny that it is a very nice vehicle (nothing like the Z).

kenchan · 07-10-2015, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I am very interested in what you think of the handling, or more specifically, the steering

I drove my buddy's Q50S Hybrid and just felt disconnected. I don't think the extra hybrid weight was a factor, but maybe? His was an older model (first year I think). Overall, I cannot deny that it is a very nice vehicle (nothing like the Z).

my buddy has a Q50S. he seems to like it, but he's not much of a car person, cant' drive MT even.
i still think the IS350 F-sport is a better looking car at that price range.

RicerX · 07-10-2015, 01:48 PM

Do you know if it had the deluxe touring package? That is the one that has steer-by-wire. The S-trim without the DTP is an electronically assisted hydraulic rack and should feel different.

Sadly, the one I'm testing today will have that **** in there. If I like it enough, I will still buy without. I do not like the idea of it and I have heard it does weird crap in cold weather.

JARblue · 07-10-2015, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RicerX

Do you know if it had the deluxe touring package? That is the one that has steer-by-wire. The S-trim without the DTP is an electronically assisted hydraulic rack and should feel different.

Sadly, the one I'm testing today will have that **** in there. If I like it enough, I will still buy without. I do not like the idea of it and I have heard it does weird crap in cold weather.

I'm sure it did. IIRC it was every option possible. Some stupid price, too, at the time - I think it was near $60K, though he was leasing it. I guess I didn't even realize they had a package without the steer-by-wire. Now I want to go test drive one

jshare1 · 07-10-2015, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I'm sure it did. IIRC it was every option possible. Some stupid price, too, at the time - I think it was near $60K, though he was leasing it. I guess I didn't even realize they had a package without the steer-by-wire. Now I want to go test drive one

I watched a youtube review with the full speced out version, sport model and it was impressive. I was impressed with the 360view display, awesome how it splices it together

BlackZeda · 07-10-2015, 02:42 PM

What about the Acura TLX...those are sharp too!

kenchan · 07-10-2015, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

What about the Acura TLX...those are sharp too!

isnt that a dressed up civic?

id rather do the accord sport with 6MT if getting such FWD sedan...

TN.Z · 07-11-2015, 03:51 PM

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isnt that a dressed up civic?

id rather do the accord sport with 6MT if getting such FWD sedan...

The ILX is the dressed up civic, the TLX is the new TL. I think it's on the Accord platform, and it is available with AWD, but it isn't available with a manual that I know of.

RicerX · 07-13-2015, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I'm sure it did. IIRC it was every option possible. Some stupid price, too, at the time - I think it was near $60K, though he was leasing it. I guess I didn't even realize they had a package without the steer-by-wire. Now I want to go test drive one

So after my test drive with the steer-by-wire (which is the Deluxe Touring Package that features that, btw), I found the system to not be as bad as people say. You can even tune the steering feel and response via the car's computer, which is pretty wild stuff. The strangest thing about it is that what people describe as "numb" is the last of bump/road/pothole feedback through the steering wheel as it's not physically connected with the wheels in any way. So you'll go over bumps, feel it in your seat and not your hands (that's what she said), and it's definitely culture shock coming from a car as raw as the Z.

I really, really, really like the Q50S. Hilariously enough, I'm starting to understand the cult 7AT guys on this forum - the transmission is pretty legit.

Compared to the Lexus IS350 F Sport (which I also drove), the Q50 stomps it with power. I was surprised that what looked like a negligible power difference on paper turned into a monstrous difference in reality. I think part of that is due to the Lexus's transmission - I'm pretty sure it waters down what is already a less powerful engine.

I will say this - the Lexus's cockpit is by far the sportiest and coolest of any sedan I've ever sat in. You sit IN the Lexus as opposed to ON it (which is the general feeling I expected going to a sedan from my Z in general). It is by far the sportiest feeling car with respect to seating position and all of the controls in the car. The steering wheel is tiny in a great way, and every piece of it screams "SPORTS SEDAN". I drove it before the Q50, and I have to say - before I felt the powertrain difference I was pretty sure that I was going to buy a Lexus.

The Q50 has a great seating position itself (not as nice as the Lexus, but sporty enough in the S trim), but the powertrain is just so much better. Toyota gonna Toyota, and Nissan gonna Nissan.

The Lexus does have some wussy little wheels too, though. 225 40 18 in the front IIRC, and 245 in the rear (or 255?). However, the 18" doesn't look bad on the car, and it's a decent configuration for the car itself, but could stand to be upgraded.

TN.Z · 07-13-2015, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RicerX

So after my test drive with the steer-by-wire (which is the Deluxe Touring Package that features that, btw), I found the system to not be as bad as people say. You can even tune the steering feel and response via the car's computer, which is pretty wild stuff. The strangest thing about it is that what people describe as "numb" is the last of bump/road/pothole feedback through the steering wheel as it's not physically connected with the wheels in any way. So you'll go over bumps, feel it in your seat and not your hands (that's what she said), and it's definitely culture shock coming from a car as raw as the Z.

I really, really, really like the Q50S. Hilariously enough, I'm starting to understand the cult 7AT guys on this forum - the transmission is pretty legit.

Compared to the Lexus IS350 F Sport (which I also drove), the Q50 stomps it with power. I was surprised that what looked like a negligible power difference on paper turned into a monstrous difference in reality. I think part of that is due to the Lexus's transmission - I'm pretty sure it waters down what is already a less powerful engine.

I will say this - the Lexus's cockpit is by far the sportiest and coolest of any sedan I've ever sat in. You sit IN the Lexus as opposed to ON it (which is the general feeling I expected going to a sedan from my Z in general). It is by far the sportiest feeling car with respect to seating position and all of the controls in the car. The steering wheel is tiny in a great way, and every piece of it screams "SPORTS SEDAN". I drove it before the Q50, and I have to say - before I felt the powertrain difference I was pretty sure that I was going to buy a Lexus.

The Q50 has a great seating position itself (not as nice as the Lexus, but sporty enough in the S trim), but the powertrain is just so much better. Toyota gonna Toyota, and Nissan gonna Nissan.

The Lexus does have some wussy little wheels too, though. 225 40 18 in the front IIRC, and 245 in the rear (or 255?). However, the 18" doesn't look bad on the car, and it's a decent configuration for the car itself, but could stand to be upgraded.

Question: did you by chance turn the traction control features off on the Lexus? My friend bought one pretty recently and I agree the interior is spectacular, but he said that he thought it was weak and was pretty set on buying a m235i until he turned off one of the traction control settings on the Lexus, he said it really made the car come alive.

All this said I also love the Q50s from my driving experiences it would be the choice I would make if I move to a sedan.

RicerX · 07-13-2015, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TN.Z

Question: did you by chance turn the traction control features off on the Lexus? My friend bought one pretty recently and I agree the interior is spectacular, but he said that he thought it was weak and was pretty set on buying a m235i until he turned off one of the traction control settings on the Lexus, he said it really made the car come alive.

All this said I also love the Q50s from my driving experiences it would be the choice I would make if I move to a sedan.

I did not - dealer was a real stick in the mud and made the entire experience awkward, so about halfway through the test drive, I was trying to ignore he was even in the car.

If the experience is anything like VDC OFF in the Z, that might bump the car above the Q50. However, I think the Q is still my first choice after all this.

b15 · 07-13-2015, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RicerX

So after my test drive with the steer-by-wire (which is the Deluxe Touring Package that features that, btw), I found the system to not be as bad as people say. You can even tune the steering feel and response via the car's computer, which is pretty wild stuff. The strangest thing about it is that what people describe as "numb" is the last of bump/road/pothole feedback through the steering wheel as it's not physically connected with the wheels in any way. So you'll go over bumps, feel it in your seat and not your hands (that's what she said), and it's definitely culture shock coming from a car as raw as the Z.

I really, really, really like the Q50S. Hilariously enough, I'm starting to understand the cult 7AT guys on this forum - the transmission is pretty legit.

Compared to the Lexus IS350 F Sport (which I also drove), the Q50 stomps it with power. I was surprised that what looked like a negligible power difference on paper turned into a monstrous difference in reality. I think part of that is due to the Lexus's transmission - I'm pretty sure it waters down what is already a less powerful engine.

I will say this - the Lexus's cockpit is by far the sportiest and coolest of any sedan I've ever sat in. You sit IN the Lexus as opposed to ON it (which is the general feeling I expected going to a sedan from my Z in general). It is by far the sportiest feeling car with respect to seating position and all of the controls in the car. The steering wheel is tiny in a great way, and every piece of it screams "SPORTS SEDAN". I drove it before the Q50, and I have to say - before I felt the powertrain difference I was pretty sure that I was going to buy a Lexus.

The Q50 has a great seating position itself (not as nice as the Lexus, but sporty enough in the S trim), but the powertrain is just so much better. Toyota gonna Toyota, and Nissan gonna Nissan.

The Lexus does have some wussy little wheels too, though. 225 40 18 in the front IIRC, and 245 in the rear (or 255?). However, the 18" doesn't look bad on the car, and it's a decent configuration for the car itself, but could stand to be upgraded.

Nice comparison. I'm still not sold on the new exterior styling of the IS, but I love the Q50s exterior. Interior goes to the IS.

Have you crossed off the STI from the list? Personally, I wouldn't even consider after those two, but if you're still after performance over luxury, it'll win there.

RicerX · 07-13-2015, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by b15

Nice comparison. I'm still not sold on the new exterior styling of the IS, but I love the Q50s exterior. Interior goes to the IS.

Have you crossed off the STI from the list? Personally, I wouldn't even consider after those two, but if you're still after performance over luxury, it'll win there.

I haven't totally crossed it off the list, but damn if it isn't a lot further down the list than it was last week.

I didn't realize how much I would like the extra creature comforts the Q50 and Lexus offer. I fear I'm finally getting adult.

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