Bikers Attack Driver After Accident: Caught on Tape

FairladyZ10PG · 10-02-2013, 11:50 AM

I don't know if you've already mentioned but just curious Red_Zed. What would you have done in that situation?

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG

I don't know if you've already mentioned but just curious Red_Zed. What would you have done in that situation?

It depends on what specifically happened, but I would not use deadly force in a situation where there was no other way to escape.

Backing up a bit, I would not be in that situation. I avoid states that do not allow for full use of a self-defense, so I would likely not be driving in NY in the first place.

If I came across a group of bikers taking up two lanes, I would move over to the right lane...because squids like that generally signal trouble. Legally not required, but the smart way to avoid conflict. If the accident was unavoidable and all that, I'd pull over and call the cops with the passenger taking a video recording in case things got messy.

FairladyZ10PG · 10-02-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It depends on what specifically happened, but I would not use deadly force in a situation where there was no other way to escape.

Backing up a bit, I would not be in that situation. I avoid states that do not allow for full use of a self-defense, so I would likely not be driving in NY in the first place.

If I came across a group of bikers taking up two lanes, I would move over to the right lane...because squids like that generally signal trouble. Legally not required, but the smart way to avoid conflict. If the accident was unavoidable and all that, I'd pull over and call the cops with the passenger taking a video recording in case things got messy.

That's smart. However, not everyone can stay as calm and collected when faced with such situation. I'm assuming this guy panicked and made what he believed to be the best possible decision at the time. He may or may not regret the decision to run over the bikers and do not know if he would do the same thing if it happened all over again. I guess what I'm trying to say is that not everyone handles pressured situations the same way. I don't know how the "Law" would handle this one but I'm behind the RR driver from what I have seen thus far.

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG

That's smart. However, not everyone can stay as calm and collected when faced with such situation. I'm assuming this guy panicked and made what he believed to be the best possible decision at the time. He may or may not regret the decision to run over the bikers and do not know if he would do the same thing if it happened all over again. I guess what I'm trying to say is that not everyone handles pressured situations the same way. I don't know how the "Law" would handle this one but I'm behind the RR driver from what I have seen thus far.

I'm not making any personal judgment against anyone, just trying to bring to light the legal implications of these decisions.

SouthArk370Z · 10-02-2013, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I'm not making any personal judgment against anyone, just trying to bring to light the legal implications of these decisions.

So far, it doesn't look like anybody is taking offense to anything being said. Considering the subject, I'd say things are going amazingly well. You make some very good legal points (I assume they are good, I'm no lawyer) but this isn't a court of law. If I were sitting on a jury, I'd be more worried about the technicalities. As it is, I'm just Some Guy On The Intertubes.

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 12:28 PM

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So far, it doesn't look like anybody is taking offense to anything being said.

Not true. A lot of us got offended by the one guy who dropped in to tell us we were all ******* afraid to stunt and we should let bikers have their fun.

andre12031948 · 10-02-2013, 12:31 PM

Well that changes everything!!!

SouthArk370Z · 10-02-2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Not true. A lot of us got offended by the one guy who dropped in to tell us we were all ******* afraid to stunt and we should let bikers have their fun.

anybody any of the "major players" in this thread.

"Major players" = those willing to admit we don't have all the facts and have at least gone to the trouble to review what evidence there is

andre12031948 · 10-02-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG

That's smart. However, not everyone can stay as calm and collected when faced with such situation. I'm assuming this guy panicked and made what he believed to be the best possible decision at the time. He may or may not regret the decision to run over the bikers and do not know if he would do the same thing if it happened all over again. I guess what I'm trying to say is that not everyone handles pressured situations the same way. I don't know how the "Law" would handle this one but I'm behind the RR driver from what I have seen thus far.

I think he's the type that don't like to take chit, not was afraid. That sort of bad action that the bikers did has been experienced by most of us. We would not run someone that's in front of us over with front & rear wheels & keep going. Were shots fired at the SUV???

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

I think he's the type that don't like to take chit, not was afraid. That sort of bad action that the bikers did has been experienced by most of us. We would not run someone that's in front of us over with front & rear wheels & keep going. Were shots fired at the SUV???

You're making a whole lot of off-base assumptions here.

Cmike2780 · 10-02-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

I think he's the type that don't like to take chit, not was afraid. That sort of bad action that the bikers did has been experienced by most of us. We would not run someone that's in front of us over with front & rear wheels & keep going. Were shots fired at the SUV???

You should really read the full story and watch the videos.

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

You should really read the full story and watch the videos.

It's like he's commenting on a completely different story.

DEpointfive0 · 10-02-2013, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG

I don't know if you've already mentioned but just curious Red_Zed. What would you have done in that situation?

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It depends on what specifically happened, but I would not use deadly force in a situation where there was no other way to escape.

Backing up a bit, I would not be in that situation. I avoid states that do not allow for full use of a self-defense, so I would likely not be driving in NY in the first place.

If I came across a group of bikers taking up two lanes, I would move over to the right lane...because squids like that generally signal trouble. Legally not required, but the smart way to avoid conflict. If the accident was unavoidable and all that, I'd pull over and call the cops with the passenger taking a video recording in case things got messy.

I don't hate bikers, but the minority gives a bad name to the majority...
I usually get out of the way of cunty drivers or bikers or whatever. I even pull to the left if I'm in a carpool lane and let them pass if I see them coming.

At the same time IF THESE are the facts:
Driver accidentally, maybe even purposely cuts off a biker.
Bikers get pissed
Bikers brake check the car
Driver hits biker due to brake check
Bikers all stop enclosing driver

If we ASSUME all those to be true, as soon as my door handle was pulled and the first fist was thrown at my window to break it...
I would have done EXACTLY the same as the driver... And having the wife and 2 year old in the car (in my mind) gives him all the more right to do so.

Hell, if it was me, if I could think fast enough, I'd try to mow down the maximum number of bikers to avoid them coming after me after. And god knows I wouldn't let traffic stop me. For my baby's life, I'd ram other cars, run lights, and do whatever. If I get boxed in by traffic, put that bítch in reverse.
ESPECIALLY after they broke his window. Sorry. ALLLLLLLL bets are off.

I'll go to jail to save my baby. I hope most if not all of you would do the same.

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

I don't hate bikers, but the minority gives a bad name to the majority...
I usually get out of the way of cunty drivers or bikers or whatever. I even pull to the left if I'm in a carpool lane and let them pass if I see them coming.

At the same time IF THESE are the facts:
Driver accidentally, maybe even purposely cuts off a biker.
Bikers get pissed
Bikers brake check the car
Driver hits biker due to brake check
Bikers all stop enclosing driver

If we ASSUME all those to be true, as soon as my door handle was pulled and the first fist was thrown at my window to break it...
I would have done EXACTLY the same as the driver... And having the wife and 2 year old in the car (in my mind) gives him all the more right to do so.

Hell, if it was me, if I could think fast enough, I'd try to mow down the maximum number of bikers to avoid them coming after me after. And god knows I wouldn't let traffic stop me. For my baby's life, I'd ram other cars, run lights, and do whatever. If I get boxed in by traffic, put that bítch in reverse.
ESPECIALLY after they broke his window. Sorry. ALLLLLLLL bets are off.

I'll go to jail to save my baby. I hope most if not all of you would do the same.

Exactly. The moment they attempt to gain entry to my vehicle, it becomes a self defense situation in my mind. I am experiencing a reasonable fear of injury or death. He's not opening my door to give me a back rub.

DEpointfive0 · 10-02-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Exactly. The moment they attempt to gain entry to my vehicle, it becomes a self defense situation in my mind. I am experiencing a reasonable fear of injury or death. He's not opening my door to give me a back rub.

And I think I'm a fantastic driver, but I can't stop that quickly in front of a bike that's THAT close to me. Yeah, I'd back off a bit to avoid hitting him, but shít, you got 30-40 other bikers around you too, how much can you slow down without making it seem like you're not brake checking the bikers behind you?

Chuck, Red Zed, PM me your paypal info please

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