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I really think Nissan missed the mark on this one... To be honest you could probably post a slightly modded 370 interior and nobody would be the wiser. The interior,

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Old 01-06-2021, 10:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I really think Nissan missed the mark on this one... To be honest you could probably post a slightly modded 370 interior and nobody would be the wiser. The interior, electronics/interface, and the transmission are already outdated and the car isn't even out yet. The exterior has potential, but it seems for some reason Nissan has fallen behind when it comes to innovation. Every "new" Nissan still has styling or technology from 10 years ago. It's a shame... I was so hopeful.
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I still like the way a 1965 Mustang looks. Same for any year 370Z. Some designs are ageless. YMMV
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I still like the way a 1965 Mustang looks. Same for any year 370Z. Some designs are ageless. YMMV
Oh, I'm with you for the 370, or classic cars. But I think the time for the. "retro" look has come and pass here on the domestic market. Ford, Dodge, and Chevy have taken note and either have or are attempting to revitalize the aesthetics and technology in their vehicles. Honestly it seems like EVERY other manufacturer is looking to update their inventory with something that at least looks "innovative and futuristic". But good ol' Nissan and Infiniti are literally producing new cars with technology that was considered "dated" 7-10 years ago.
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I just can't justify spending the amount of money they're going to ask for that car, for the aesthetics, technology, and performance it's going to have. They took beautiful cars and mashed them together to produce something...not as appealing. Something boring... And mind you, that's the concept. That's their "oh let's blow their mind" draft. The production model I imagine will be far less....well....everything.
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Totally disagree with OP on all points.

I can't wait for the new 300Z Twin Turbo!
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Lol. I get your point but wait 'til it becomes available and one blows by you stock and no tune. Also, there's not a good business reason for Nissan to put in more than they have to.
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You're entitled to your opinion. You raise some valid points, but I think Nissan saw an opportunity in the market to pull some Supra buyers and maybe pull some muscle car buyers by leveraging some existing tech they have without investing much in a new platform. This was most likely the ONLY way we were getting a new Z. They're investing in electric and other more profitable vehicles than the Z, since most sports cars, unfortunately, do not sell well these days.

I'll hold my thoughts on performance until those stats are released and until the drive reviews come back. I would imagine it's 400hp at around 3400lbs. Which is a pretty nice balance relative to something like a Mustang which is 480hp at 3900lbs. With the twin-turbo setup you'll have tuning potential that was much more challenging for 350-370 engines. Power will not be expensive to make relative to those cars (if that's your thing).

I love the design as it hits the heart strings by attaching itself to the older models. I've wanted a 240z inspired retro design for a long time and this is probably the closest we'll ever come. Some of the design elements don't seem to mesh well together, but the car is still a clean beautiful design in an age of excess vents and styling. The aftermarket can provide more here as well.

The benefit of using an existing platform/motor/transmission is reliability and cost. I do get that it's not as exciting, but, most of the kinks will have been worked out and they didn't have to invest in new tech for this project. On top of that, you'll get a more old school feel in this car, which is something that most enthusiasts say they want.

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I just can't justify spending the amount of money they're going to ask for that car, for the aesthetics, technology, and performance it's going to have. They took beautiful cars and mashed them together to produce something...not as appealing. Something boring... And mind you, that's the concept. That's their "oh let's blow their mind" draft. The production model I imagine will be far less....well....everything.
They did say 98% of the concept will be identical to the final production..
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Lol. I get your point but wait 'til it becomes available and one blows by you stock and no tune. Also, there's not a good business reason for Nissan to put in more than they have to.

LOL. I doubt that will happen. And I don't think it's putting in more than they have to.. I just feel that their spirit of innovation has called it quits.
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You're entitled to your opinion. You raise some valid points, but I think Nissan saw an opportunity in the market to pull some Supra buyers and maybe pull some muscle car buyers by leveraging some existing tech they have without investing much in a new platform. This was most likely the ONLY way we were getting a new Z. They're investing in electric and other more profitable vehicles than the Z, since most sports cars, unfortunately, do not sell well these days.

I'll hold my thoughts on performance until those stats are released and until the drive reviews come back. I would imagine it's 400hp at around 3400lbs. Which is a pretty nice balance relative to something like a Mustang which is 480hp at 3900lbs. With the twin-turbo setup you'll have tuning potential that was much more challenging for 350-370 engines. Power will not be expensive to make relative to those cars (if that's your thing).

I love the design as it hits the heart strings by attaching itself to the older models. I've wanted a 240z inspired retro design for a long time and this is probably the closest we'll ever come. Some of the design elements don't seem to mesh well together, but the car is still a clean beautiful design in an age of excess vents and styling. The aftermarket can provide more here as well.

The benefit of using an existing platform/motor/transmission is reliability and cost. I do get that it's not as exciting, but, most of the kinks will have been worked out and they didn't have to invest in new tech for this project. On top of that, you'll get a more old school feel in this car, which is something that most enthusiasts say they want.
If you're going to go through the dog and pony show of unveiling a "new" Z why is it using technology from cars you had 10 years ago? I honestly think that lack of innovation is why Nissan/Infiniti is hurting the way they are. Not just in the Z's but across their whole line up. I'd be on board if they stuck to one Z car to base their retro style on....but all of them? I dunno man... Renders with aftermarket parts on it make it look great, but damn...I absolutely cannot appreciate that car in it's stock form.
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If you're going to go through the dog and pony show of unveiling a "new" Z why is it using technology from cars you had 10 years ago? I honestly think that lack of innovation is why Nissan/Infiniti is hurting the way they are. Not just in the Z's but across their whole line up. I'd be on board if they stuck to one Z car to base their retro style on....but all of them? I dunno man... Renders with aftermarket parts on it make it look great, but damn...I absolutely cannot appreciate that car in it's stock form.
Because they want to sell these?

They need to drum up excitement and anticipation and show their potential customers that there IS actually a new Z on the way.

Maybe you aren't a customer because they didn't do enough in your eyes, but did you really think they were just going to low-key launch the Z and go here's a new Z, not much to it, maybe buy it maybe don't?
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If i have to choose between the new Supra and the Z. I'd go for the new Z. The manual trans gives it away and i'm digging the look.

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You don't really have a choice.

Massachusetts just joined California with a 2035 ICE ban. So did Japan.

The next generation of sports cars is probably the last. Take it or leave it, there won't be a 450Z to hold out for.
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