[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-20-2016, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Godzilla35

^exactly... I am hoping with a new Z platform, Nissan can bring some excitement back to the brand. When Scion dropped the FRS, they treated first few of us extremely well. Even gave us hotel rooms and passes to SEMA. With the likes of Chris Forsberg and other Nissan Racing drivers, you would think that they would push to "leak" some tidbits, but all I hear is that we aren't getting the iDX anymore (bummer as I thought the NISMO version had potential)... I even heard rumors that it was based on a 240SX wheelbase (I need a drift car Nissan are you listening???) haha...

In any case. If they add weight, which let's be honest, is generally speaking a trend nowadays... the 400hp mark for the standard model doesn't seem to be a big stretch to me. Maybe they will have a 250-300hp "base" model but if they don't bring 400hp to the table, who are they competing with then? Rumors say the new Genesis will even have more than 300hp+...

Please. Insiders. Anyone. ... there has to be SOME info around? I am from the GTR crowd so I know that the GTR is set for the next gen and it is in development (the R35 platform is maxed out). One would think the Z would have more hub-hub since it is a presumably better selling / more accessible car....?....

Exactly. The affordable car should be getting the buzz..

The G37 is about 200lbs heavier than the Q50 so I'm not too worried about weight.

But our crowd is definitely the most unsupported enthusiast crowd, by the company it supports. Even Hyundai gets involved with the Gencoupe crowd.

Dirk McGurck · 06-20-2016, 05:00 AM

Most cars add weight with redesigns because the companies make them larger. There are still many Japanese cars that stayed the same weight or lost weight from one model year to the next, so the Z doesn't have to put on weight.

Also, the Genesis already has more than 300hp. It could stand to lose weight, but it isn't really aimed at the Z, it's marched better with the piggy Gs.

Jordo! · 06-20-2016, 08:31 PM

Based on everything else that's been indicated by Nissan, and also keeping the past decade or so of the car's re-brith in mind, here is what to expect:

1. It will be debuted in 2018

2. It will weigh about the same and cost about the same as current offering.

3. It will come it at least three trims (not counting targa or verts): Regular, Sport, Nismo. A fourth tier, Nismo Turbo is possible, assuming it isn't simply the only "Nismo" badged option, which is quite likely.

4. Expect overall performance across the board to be a bit better than it's advertised for the Q60, in a proportionate degree to the current difference.

Naturally, the boosted option will have lots and lots of aftermarket potential. If you plan to boost, just buy that one and lump the extra cost up front, rather than boosting the N/A motor -- less blown engines.

5. Without starting a whole debate over "sports car purity" or whatever, expect all tiers to have a 7-AT option, and all but the base to have a (viscous) LSD.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-20-2016, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Based on everything else that's been indicated by Nissan, and also keeping the past decade or so of the car's re-brith in mind, here is what to expect:

1. It will be debuted in 2018

2. It will weigh about the same and cost about the same as current offering.

3. It will come it at least three trims (not counting targa or verts): Regular, Sport, Nismo. A fourth tier, Nismo Turbo is possible, assuming it isn't simply the only "Nismo" badged option, which is quite likely.

4. Expect overall performance across the board to be a bit better than it's advertised for the Q60, in a proportionate degree to the current difference.

Naturally, the boosted option will have lots and lots of aftermarket potential. If you plan to boost, just buy that one and lump the extra cost up front, rather than boosting the N/A motor -- less blown engines.

5. Without starting a whole debate over "sports car purity" or whatever, expect all tiers to have a 7-AT option, and all but the base to have a (viscous) LSD.

Weight is going down. That's for sure.

Both GT-R and Z are getting dramatic weight reduction. I'm expecting 200lbs on the v6 turbo.... 300lbs on the turbo 4.

jaedub · 06-20-2016, 08:46 PM

Is the Z really going to have different engine trim? I thought all were supposed to have the V6 turbo from the Q60.

To those stating that the Z will have different engine trim, where did you guys get your sources from?

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-20-2016, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jaedub

Is the Z really going to have different engine trim? I thought all were supposed to have the V6 turbo from the Q60.

To those stating that the Z will have different engine trim, where did you guys get your sources from?

Yes multiple engines were already confirmed by Nissan as the Q60 has 2 engines and the 6 has two different tunes.

VidkidZ · 06-20-2016, 11:19 PM

Twin turbo options and 400+hp is probably on the menu for the Z35 Nismo. While I havent thrashed the drive by wire steering from the Q50 Red.. IMO... It looks like the platform is there.. It has promise... Just needs a lot of tuning over the next 6+ months to deliver... https://youtu.be/fM2OMA1pnh0

brucelidat · 06-21-2016, 02:16 AM

43-45k for a 400hp tt Nismo that has better NVH without adding weight (and enough storage for my work equipment) and I am in. Make it so Nissan before an electric car and it's green-ness and instant torque tempt me.

FPenvy · 06-21-2016, 07:13 AM

Why do I keep seeing people saying that the nismo will be the 400hp and the regular Z only 300. That would be the most retarded thing Nissan could ever do. Imo the Z will be 400 and the nismo will be a tuned version at 430-450hp

njobe89 · 06-21-2016, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

Why do I keep seeing people saying that the nismo will be the 400hp and the regular Z only 300. That would be the most retarded thing Nissan could ever do. Imo the Z will be 400 and the nismo will be a tuned version at 430-450hp

with you for once lol

RicerX · 06-21-2016, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

Why do I keep seeing people saying that the nismo will be the 400hp and the regular Z only 300. That would be the most retarded thing Nissan could ever do. Imo the Z will be 400 and the nismo will be a tuned version at 430-450hp

1) Those two motors exist with Infiniti. Wouldn't have to retool anything. Focus on reducing weight. Makes business sense.

2) If those two motors came through with the Z brand and followed similar pricing structure of the 370 (starting $30k, premium model $42k), you can have your bargain sports car at the bottom and premium, high performance version at the top, and both of which would be extremely compelling alternatives to the current offering of sports cars in the same pricing category.

It makes complete sense, especially when you consider the torque curve of each motor - both of those motors provide increased performance potential stock-for-stock when compared to the VQ37.

brucelidat · 06-21-2016, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

Why do I keep seeing people saying that the nismo will be the 400hp and the regular Z only 300. That would be the most retarded thing Nissan could ever do. Imo the Z will be 400 and the nismo will be a tuned version at 430-450hp

This would be nice, but we're trying to be realistic with our expectations. Nissan already has the 300hp tuned engine and if they want to offer a less expensive option, they would probably use it to not compete against the higher output options. I find it very hard to believe Nissan will release a 400hp Z in the mid 30s. Iw would really detract from the 400hp q60. We see the Z differently than Nissan does. I don't think in their mind, the Z needs to be substantially or at all more powerful than the q(g)50/60. The Z to them is the downmarket more enthusiast version.

FPenvy · 06-21-2016, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

This would be nice, but we're trying to be realistic with our expectations. Nissan already has the 300hp tuned engine and if they want to offer a less expensive option, they would probably use it to not compete against the higher output options. I find it very hard to believe Nissan will release a 400hp Z in the mid 30s. Iw would really detract from the 400hp q60. We see the Z differently than Nissan does. I don't think in their mind, the Z needs to be substantially or at all more powerful than the q(g)50/60. The Z to them is the downmarket more enthusiast version.

I hope they don't release a 300hp in the mid 30k range. Although the same engine with different tune minus the speed density add ons to the turbos is the same as the 400hp engine. At this point I'm just over this random speculation. Not one of us knows anything for sure just hopes and dreams.

I have no problem paying whatever they charge of its 400hp TT decent weight 3300 or less with good interior/options and they don't rape the exterior look.

Hell my sticker of my 2009 was 44 or 45k. Couple more thousand for TT and updated I'm cool with that.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-21-2016, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

I hope they don't release a 300hp in the mid 30k range. Although the same engine with different tune minus the speed density add ons to the turbos is the same as the 400hp engine. At this point I'm just over this random speculation. Not one of us knows anything for sure just hopes and dreams.

I have no problem paying whatever they charge of its 400hp TT decent weight 3300 or less with good interior/options and they don't rape the exterior look.

Hell my sticker of my 2009 was 44 or 45k. Couple more thousand for TT and updated I'm cool with that.

My prediction

2.0t. $27,000
3.0tt 300/ $33,000
3.0tt 400/ $39,000
NISMO 450/$50,000

Optioned out roping near $60,000.

MagmaRed370z · 06-21-2016, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

My prediction

2.0t. $27,000
3.0tt 300/ $33,000
3.0tt 400/ $39,000
NISMO 450/$50,000

Optioned out roping near $60,000.

3.0TT please , Thank you.

06-20-2016, 05:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
Dirk McGurck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Delaware Posts: 715 Drives: 09 MB 370Z Touring Rep Power: 22	Most cars add weight with redesigns because the companies make them larger. There are still many Japanese cars that stayed the same weight or lost weight from one model year to the next, so the Z doesn't have to put on weight. Also, the Genesis already has more than 300hp. It could stand to lose weight, but it isn't really aimed at the Z, it's marched better with the piggy Gs. __________________ 2009 370Z Touring with Sport

06-20-2016, 08:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 419	Based on everything else that's been indicated by Nissan, and also keeping the past decade or so of the car's re-brith in mind, here is what to expect: 1. It will be debuted in 2018 2. It will weigh about the same and cost about the same as current offering. 3. It will come it at least three trims (not counting targa or verts): Regular, Sport, Nismo. A fourth tier, Nismo Turbo is possible, assuming it isn't simply the only "Nismo" badged option, which is quite likely. 4. Expect overall performance across the board to be a bit better than it's advertised for the Q60, in a proportionate degree to the current difference. Naturally, the boosted option will have lots and lots of aftermarket potential. If you plan to boost, just buy that one and lump the extra cost up front, rather than boosting the N/A motor -- less blown engines. 5. Without starting a whole debate over "sports car purity" or whatever, expect all tiers to have a 7-AT option, and all but the base to have a (viscous) LSD. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

06-21-2016, 02:16 AM	#8 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 32	43-45k for a 400hp tt Nismo that has better NVH without adding weight (and enough storage for my work equipment) and I am in. Make it so Nissan before an electric car and it's green-ness and instant torque tempt me. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

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