[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

NecioVato

Do you consider the Z a raw sports car now? I think it's a nice balance of power and handling; faster than a FRS or BRZ but doesn't match the handling 'out of the box' (at least that is what I have heard); but not as fast as the stop light warriors of Mustangs and Camaros but handles and drives better than those cars.

I think with all the new requirements we have for all cars, it's hard to produce a low weight fun car to drive that will make everyone happy. I do agree with you, I think the next Z will be something similar to having the same tech as the Infiniti so it will be heavier ride to begin with. I wonder if Nissan is having an internal fight of adding a bunch of tech **** to make the people happy but at the same time, fighting about HP not being needed to be increased because it's a 'drivers car'? Personally, I would love to have them keep the cabin simple and then add about another 50HP under the hood.

babyzilla

Yes, and what I mean by that is: I LOVE how you can literally just get in the Z and drive. Let's take my brother's golf R as an example...do you know how many settings he has to drive?! I know some people like that, but I hate it. To contradict myself for just a second..I have to admit I love the SRM

JTM88

I have a hard time believing anything that comes equipped with Prius tires handles better than the z


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SgtGoldy

IDK man, tech is nuts now... some skinny *** PS4S tires probably do better than some meaty normal tires

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Z1NONLY

The Prius tires limit grip but don't hurt the balance or reflexes of the car. The FRS/BRZ's handle better than Z's.

JTM88

I could see that

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Z1NONLY

The Z's are "good" at almost everything and "great" at almost nothing. (Good all-around sports car)

The FRS/BRZ's are "great" at handling and "meh" at acceleration. (More of a nitche sports car)

Nixin

The Z is a work of art, from every angle. The FRS/BRZ are an optical abomination.

Tick64

Z's get that same "great" handling rating too when going FRS/BRZ 10 miles per hour.

Jordo!

I'm pretty sure the 86 does not out perform the Z in handling or braking.

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Losing traction controllably -- maybe.

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Z1NONLY

I have lost count of the various examples of Z's and Twins I have driven, at the limit, at various venues. I am speaking (writing? ) from experience. The Twins' balance is more neutral than the Z's, and they transition their weight better.

Now, the Twins do come with what people at the track refer to as "Prius tires". (The same low- rolling -resistance tires used on the Prius) I think the tire choice was made to mask the car's low HP....They break away very easily compared to the tires found on most sports cars. The stock tires make for some rather underwhelming grip-related numbers in the car mags, but the balance is still there.

B&W_Evader

It looks like the base model Z comes with prius tires now too with a grip of only 0.90g. I seem to remember 0.96 or 0.98 being touted when I bought mine.

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Jordo!

I'm speaking strictly in terms of performance metrics.

The "controllability" attribute I mentioned could be thought of as equivalent to "balance"; it's easier to get the twins to do what you want and easier to correct if it doesn't.

On the other hand, compare and contrast the twins with sticky tires to itself without and to two other small cars that are equally good or better in terms of balance (one being much more pricey, tho') on performance.

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UNKNOWN_370

Say it's driving dynamics are better. Not outperforms. The Z is atmospheres faster than the twins on most tracks. Some tracks we may only be a lot faster. But most we're destroying the twins.

PERFORMANCE has to do with winning.
DYNAMICS has to do with what you're talking about.

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Z1NONLY

I don't know that "destroy" is applicable once both cars are on the same tires, but the 370Z is classed one class higher than the FRS for SCCA solo and the 350Z is in the same class as the Twins.

The mixture of power and handling that the Z has does seem to be faster in most situations. That's a valid argument. Handling is only a single part of the "winning" equation. The Twins generally give up more to the Z in acceleration, than the Z gives up in handling.