[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

Volk Z · 08-04-2016, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

NIssna better release something this year, at least a concept....

My guess is Tokyo auto Salon Jan 2017.

Volk Z · 08-04-2016, 10:22 PM

Why are we caring so much about comparing to more expensive cars and all that. The BRZ is slow as hell but it was designed for creating a very fun experience, good handling etc. This needs to be similar to what Nissan does. Create a car for the driver to have an amazing experience.

I personally don't care if a Porsche is faster than my 2018 Z or even beats it on the track on paper.... if Nissan deliver a light weight Z with that VR30DTT and do what they do for handling etc it will be a winning combo.

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-04-2016, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z

Why are we caring so much about comparing to more expensive cars and all that. The BRZ is slow as hell but it was designed for creating a very fun experience, good handling etc. This needs to be similar to what Nissan does. Create a car for the driver to have an amazing experience.

I personally don't care if a Porsche is faster than my 2018 Z or even beats it on the track on paper.... if Nissan deliver a light weight Z with that VR30DTT and do what they do for handling etc it will be a winning combo.

And thats why Nissan is coming out with múltiple engines. The 4 cylinder 250-275HP entry level lightweight car. The 400HP top tier car. They'll have something for everybody

ViCiouS · 08-04-2016, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z

Why are we caring so much about comparing to more expensive cars and all that. The BRZ is slow as hell but it was designed for creating a very fun experience, good handling etc. This needs to be similar to what Nissan does. Create a car for the driver to have an amazing experience.

I personally don't care if a Porsche is faster than my 2018 Z or even beats it on the track on paper.... if Nissan deliver a light weight Z with that VR30DTT and do what they do for handling etc it will be a winning combo.

Exactly! It's not going to be on that level, it's not going to take away from GTR owners advantage, the numbers everyone keeps throwing around are not realistic. It's going to be a mid level sports coupe that will be the best option in its class (as the Z is now in my opinion).

Firebase99 · 08-05-2016, 09:25 AM

IMO, like I and many have stated a few times about a Z35. To keep costs down it will probably share a chassis, the engine is already there, multiple options in fact. Assuming a Z35 IS made, itll have the 3.0 Turbo making the stated 400HP (at least), and itll be 3300 pounds in all reality (minimum). No carbon fibre, no exotic weight saving stuff. And thats fine. Its not gonna be an $80K car, its going to be low $40's at most and $30K to get you on the road. Tooling, material...its already there.

ViCiouS · 08-05-2016, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaeMaestro

You do bring up some good points. A car isnt about the weight and hp alone. I did say it would be a competitor for the gt4 and by numbers alone (power/weight). Not by handling or even by 0-60. I based this off the fact that you can pick two out of the three: power, light, or cheap. What I'm saying is I dont see the 400hp "cheap" car being to light. (Its got to be at least 3300...)

Also id argue you cant put 0-60 times the way you did it. 0-60 these days will highly depend on tranny and in some cases a launch control or active suspension controlling weight. Even if the z had a better power/weight id put my money on the fancy cars. That double clutch ATM alone will save 0.25 secs easily. (Just pulled a number out my *** just so you know).

I was just detailing it as an example that power/weight is a small factor. The Porsche dual clutch (PDK) is out of this world and does have launch control (i've had one for a month as of today

but haven't launched). Takes 0.3 secs off at minimum (manufacturer rating), so good guess.

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

IMO, like I and many have stated a few times about a Z35. To keep costs down it will probably share a chassis, the engine is already there, multiple options in fact. Assuming a Z35 IS made, itll have the 3.0 Turbo making the stated 400HP (at least), and itll be 3300 pounds in all reality (minimum). No carbon fibre, no exotic weight saving stuff. And thats fine. Its not gonna be an $80K car, its going to be low $40's at most and $30K to get you on the road. Tooling, material...its already there.

Spot on. I expect mid 30s base msrp for the 3.0TT though. If they do make a weaker engine version it will be in the 20s to compete the the BRZ etc.

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-05-2016, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

IMO, like I and many have stated a few times about a Z35. To keep costs down it will probably share a chassis, the engine is already there, multiple options in fact. Assuming a Z35 IS made, itll have the 3.0 Turbo making the stated 400HP (at least), and itll be 3300 pounds in all reality (minimum). No carbon fibre, no exotic weight saving stuff. And thats fine. Its not gonna be an $80K car, its going to be low $40's at most and $30K to get you on the road. Tooling, material...its already there.

You guys need to go back about two weeks and read my posts. Juke news is where you will find Z news....
The new Juke is being built on the new CMF-B chassis. If that is too technical for some of you. It's the GRIP Z chassis.
That is also the same chassis I posted on about a week ago when I stated that Nissan was going to use a MODULAR CHASSIS, capable of multi drivetrain usage for a range of vehicles. My guess the Grip Z looked as it did was because it was showing the marriage between the Z and Juke in the next generation. Which only makes sense considering this generation they went all out on Juke Nismo's. They are getting more performance oriented. This gen I'm expecting big things for the Juke.

Now being that the chassis is modular I'm 99.9% right that this chassis will be shared with the Z.

By the way. A grip z, 1.6 turbo engine, fully equipped, 5 passengers, all wheel drive and automatic transmission is 2,550lbs.

So 3,300 lb Z is NOT HAPPENING. it will lose between 200-300lbs easy. I expect a production Juke to be 100lbs lighter than the outgoing model in full production guise. So about 2,700lbs. I expect a 4 cylinder RWD Z to weigh the same as an AWD juke. Only because the chassis will be much more rigid.

Also remember the weight of AWD, That's the offset in the situation. So it makes it more than possible.

Classier, smarter new Nissan Juke coming in 2017 | Auto Express

Oh and the Z has carbon fiber now!!!! What makes u think we gonna go backwards? I expect more carbon fiber. I know we'll continue to use a carbon fiber drive shaft and radiator housing for sure. We aren't losing that. I think your speculation is pretty empty.

Volk Z · 08-06-2016, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

You guys need to go back about two weeks and read my posts. Juke news is where you will find Z news....
The new Juke is being built on the new CMF-B chassis. If that is too technical for some of you. It's the GRIP Z chassis.
That is also the same chassis I posted on about a week ago when I stated that Nissan was going to use a MODULAR CHASSIS, capable of multi drivetrain usage for a range of vehicles. My guess the Grip Z looked as it did was because it was showing the marriage between the Z and Juke in the next generation. Which only makes sense considering this generation they went all out on Juke Nismo's. They are getting more performance oriented. This gen I'm expecting big things for the Juke.

Now being that the chassis is modular I'm 99.9% right that this chassis will be shared with the Z.

By the way. A grip z, 1.6 turbo engine, fully equipped, 5 passengers, all wheel drive and automatic transmission is 2,550lbs.

So 3,300 lb Z is NOT HAPPENING. it will lose between 200-300lbs easy. I expect a production Juke to be 100lbs lighter than the outgoing model in full production guise. So about 2,700lbs. I expect a 4 cylinder RWD Z to weigh the same as an AWD juke. Only because the chassis will be much more rigid.

Also remember the weight of AWD, That's the offset in the situation. So it makes it more than possible.

Classier, smarter new Nissan Juke coming in 2017 | Auto Express

Oh and the Z has carbon fiber now!!!! What makes u think we gonna go backwards? I expect more carbon fiber. I know we'll continue to use a carbon fiber drive shaft and radiator housing for sure. We aren't losing that. I think your speculation is pretty empty.

I like where your head is at! I feel like you and I are the only ones believing the new Z will in fact be lighter than the current 370z model...
My original guess was like 2900-3000 pounds for the V6TT. The Z also currently uses aluminum which is light and cheap. And yes the carbon fiber drive shaft has been on the Z since 2003 models.
I see a carbon fiber add on pack like the. RCF offers.

NISMO IX · 08-05-2016, 11:57 AM

Just some comparisons for what you guys are discussing and some competitors that start in the $50,000 mark.
2016 BMW M2 Coupe Overview - MSN Autos
2016 Alfa Romeo 4C Overview - MSN Autos
2016 Chevrolet Corvette Overview - MSN Autos
2016 Porsche Cayman Overview - MSN Autos

....And this also happened....

Hyundai Genesis Coupe Dead After 2016 Model Year

I personally am digging that M2

ThaeMaestro · 08-05-2016, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NISMO IX

Just some comparisons for what you guys are discussing and some competitors that start in the $50,000 mark.
2016 BMW M2 Coupe Overview - MSN Autos
2016 Alfa Romeo 4C Overview - MSN Autos
2016 Chevrolet Corvette Overview - MSN Autos
2016 Porsche Cayman Overview - MSN Autos

....And this also happened....

Hyundai Genesis Coupe Dead After 2016 Model Year

I personally am digging that M2

Nice, 50k Should be on the high end for probably the nismo. <30k on the low side for intro base model ... I like buying the cheaper house on the block, not the most expensive. Count me out. These days, I want a used fiesta ST for 16k

... keep the z of course ...

Also dont forget the m235i at 42K msrp!!! Like the m2 just no suspension tune .... I think. ...

Firebase99 · 08-05-2016, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaeMaestro

Nice, 50k Should be on the high end for probably the nismo. <30k on the low side for intro base model ... I like buying the cheaper house on the block, not the most expensive. Count me out. These days, I want a used fiesta ST for 16k

... keep the z of course ...

Also dont forget the m235i at 42K msrp!!! Like the m2 just no suspension tune .... I think. ...

Funny you bring that vehicle up...I was just noticing the 240i yesterday, thinking exactly that compared to the M2:
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brucelidat · 08-05-2016, 09:59 PM

I got an email asking if I want to reserve a q60 and get a free gift if I buy one. No obligation.Maybe I'll reserve just to get info and a test drive when it comes out.

370Z JT · 08-06-2016, 12:54 AM

^Not sure if you're serious? 😂

brucelidat · 08-06-2016, 01:07 AM

Unknown, if the Z can really drop 200 lbs and have that 400hp tt engine and not be too expensive, i will be very pleasantly surprised

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-06-2016, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

Unknown, if the Z can really drop 200 lbs and have that 400hp tt engine and not be too expensive, i will be very pleasantly surprised

The 400HP version will be between camaro SS N corvette money corvette start around $47,000 baseto $59,000 for the Nismo version. N 450hpIf you want the cheap Z it will be the 250HP 4banger. N remember there's that 300HP tune which I think will be the touring. But I'm sure even 4banger will outperform our current cars being 500-600lbs lighter.

08-04-2016, 10:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
Volk Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Posts: 2,214 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 3066	Why are we caring so much about comparing to more expensive cars and all that. The BRZ is slow as hell but it was designed for creating a very fun experience, good handling etc. This needs to be similar to what Nissan does. Create a car for the driver to have an amazing experience. I personally don't care if a Porsche is faster than my 2018 Z or even beats it on the track on paper.... if Nissan deliver a light weight Z with that VR30DTT and do what they do for handling etc it will be a winning combo. __________________ AMUSE * TOMEI * STILLEN * CRAFTSQUARE RECARO * 3M * TOP SECRET * SLICKCARBON

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Firebase99 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: fl Posts: 1,372 Drives: 14 3.8 Gen Coupe GT Rep Power: 14034	IMO, like I and many have stated a few times about a Z35. To keep costs down it will probably share a chassis, the engine is already there, multiple options in fact. Assuming a Z35 IS made, itll have the 3.0 Turbo making the stated 400HP (at least), and itll be 3300 pounds in all reality (minimum). No carbon fibre, no exotic weight saving stuff. And thats fine. Its not gonna be an $80K car, its going to be low $40's at most and $30K to get you on the road. Tooling, material...its already there. __________________ '14 3.8 Genesis Coupe, '13 Volvo S60, '04 Honda Accord, '13 370Z-sold, '05 350Z Touring-sold, '92 300Z Twin Turbo-sold, '82 280ZX-gone, '79 260Z-gone

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NISMO IX Track Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Southern Maine Age: 47 Posts: 742 Drives: 2014 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 584	Just some comparisons for what you guys are discussing and some competitors that start in the $50,000 mark. 2016 BMW M2 Coupe Overview - MSN Autos 2016 Alfa Romeo 4C Overview - MSN Autos 2016 Chevrolet Corvette Overview - MSN Autos 2016 Porsche Cayman Overview - MSN Autos ....And this also happened.... Hyundai Genesis Coupe Dead After 2016 Model Year I personally am digging that M2 __________________ 2017 Ford Focus RS Nitrous Blue "KB43VER" 2014 370z Mag Blk 6M "KOKURYU" (Black Dragon) Last edited by NISMO IX; 08-05-2016 at 12:00 PM.

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brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 32	I got an email asking if I want to reserve a q60 and get a free gift if I buy one. No obligation.Maybe I'll reserve just to get info and a test drive when it comes out. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

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08-06-2016, 01:07 AM	#14 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 32	Unknown, if the Z can really drop 200 lbs and have that 400hp tt engine and not be too expensive, i will be very pleasantly surprised __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

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