Ordering 2013 touring with everything pricing?

Leuz · 01-29-2013, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Nailzs

Dealers can find what you want through their dealer network in the fraction of the time you'd have to wait ordering from the factory.
If you buy do it at the end of the month when the dealer wants to get rid of stock.
I just bought a 2013 Z with sport, touring, 7AT, Bose, nav, heated leather seats, I don't think there were any other factory options the car didn't have.
The sticker was $45,555. I badgered the salesman for 2 hours, started to walk out 3 times and finally got them down to $37,800.
I bought my Z on 12-31. End of the month, end of the year. They were more anxious the move a Z than I was to buy it. I'm sure they still made a profit, and better deals may have been had but it was a local dealer and I didn't have to drive hundreds of miles or be on the phone for days on end.

What was the otd price? Did they want to charge obscure fees? I'm in the market for a 2013 370z touring + sport, rear view camera. Carsdirect lists the invoice as 39125 and I'm sure I can talk the dealer a little below that but then I'm scared the actual otd is gonna go skyrocket.

Augustus · 01-30-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Leuz

What was the otd price? Did they want to charge obscure fees? I'm in the market for a 2013 370z touring + sport, rear view camera. Carsdirect lists the invoice as 39125 and I'm sure I can talk the dealer a little below that but then I'm scared the actual otd is gonna go skyrocket.

No need to really be "scared" of an OTD price. Yes, some sleazy dealerships can play games with fees & surcharges, especially if you're letting them arrange the financing. But IMHO, most won't if you present yourself as a mature & reasonably savvy buyer. They prey on the people who don't understand how financing & taxes work. Don't be one of those people.

If you're really worried about the OTD price, just insist on negotiating the OTD price. They can easily roll in the required fees & taxes as part of the "4-square" game. Even if you're financing and negotiating by payment (be careful...), just be very clear about the interest rate & term, but still, "OTD".

This way, there are no surprises in the title/warranty/finance office when you sign the paperwork. Whatever terms you've agreed upon should be clearly documented in the paperwork. If not, or they try to sneak in other fees, just walk out. Oh sure, they'll try to sell you extra stuff; etching, rust-proofing, service plans, extended warranty, pin-striping, blah, blah, blah, but you just have to say "no thanks" to all of it and you'll walk out paying exactly what you negotiated.

Good luck!

6MT-Z34 · 01-30-2013, 11:35 AM

Augustus,

I just order a 2013 370z fully loaded set the OTD price and gave a $1000 deposit. But I never set the interest rate, however they run my credit and i'm real close to 750, what kind of APR do you think I should be looking at? I know my parents were able to get a .9% APR in subaru and honda (a few months ago) and my parents told me that my credit is better than them. Do you think I can get this from Nissan or should I go to a bank and get a loan from them instead? Thanks for any help.

PS
This is my first car purchase so I'm new to all this experience any tips will help.

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Originally Posted by Augustus

No need to really be "scared" of an OTD price. Yes, some sleazy dealerships can play games with fees & surcharges, especially if you're letting them arrange the financing. But IMHO, most won't if you present yourself as a mature & reasonably savvy buyer. They prey on the people who don't understand how financing & taxes work. Don't be one of those people.

If you're really worried about the OTD price, just insist on negotiating the OTD price. They can easily roll in the required fees & taxes as part of the "4-square" game. Even if you're financing and negotiating by payment (be careful...), just be very clear about the interest rate & term, but still, "OTD".

This way, there are no surprises in the title/warranty/finance office when you sign the paperwork. Whatever terms you've agreed upon should be clearly documented in the paperwork. If not, or they try to sneak in other fees, just walk out. Oh sure, they'll try to sell you extra stuff; etching, rust-proofing, service plans, extended warranty, pin-striping, blah, blah, blah, but you just have to say "no thanks" to all of it and you'll walk out paying exactly what you negotiated.

Good luck!

Nailzs · 01-31-2013, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Leuz

What was the otd price? Did they want to charge obscure fees? I'm in the market for a 2013 370z touring + sport, rear view camera. Carsdirect lists the invoice as 39125 and I'm sure I can talk the dealer a little below that but then I'm scared the actual otd is gonna go skyrocket.

Out the door with everything added was $33,000. That was with a trade in and down payment. I still had to pay tax.

Leuz · 02-01-2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nailzs

Out the door with everything added was $33,000. That was with a trade in and down payment. I still had to pay tax.

Then it was not OTD

- Jokes apart, with a trade in it was a good deal. Well depending on which packages you went for.

mick · 01-27-2013, 11:01 PM

my car came with the illuminated kick plates. one day, I dropped the iPod on it and that created a big dent. I went to the dealer to get it fixed and it cost big bucks. If you are going to order those kick plates, you have got to be extra careful not to drop things on them. They are softer than a soda can. Knowing what I know, I would rather not have them.

DEpointfive0 · 01-27-2013, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by darli328

Thanks
Anyone know how many miles the car comes from the factory and what I should expect?

5-9 seems to be about right

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Originally Posted by mick

my car came with the illuminated kick plates. one day, I dropped the iPod on it and that created a big dent. I went to the dealer to get it fixed and it cost big bucks. If you are going to order those kick plates, you have got to be extra careful not to drop things on them. They are softer than a soda can. Knowing what I know, I would rather not have them.

Yeah, they are SUPER thin... I have seen many a dents on those

darli328 · 01-28-2013, 10:22 AM

Thanks!

Augustus · 01-28-2013, 11:56 AM

Check out truecar.com. They'll show you the prices that people are actually paying for 370 Z's in your area. You can configure it with options and get an idea of MSRP vs invoice vs market prices.

It's just another tool in your negotiating toolbox, but I and a few friends have found their numbers to be generally pretty good. You may be able to do better, but it's a start and gives you an idea of where you "should" be. If nothing else, the "Certified Dealer" numbers you give you something you can print & take to your salesman, "beat this". I've had a couple of salesmen gripe at me about using Truecar numbers from other dealerships, which I take as a good sign.

FYI...

2013 370Z Touring + Sport + SatNav + Kick plates = $43,990 MSRP. Invoice = $40,857. TrueCar has "certified dealers" that say they'll do the deal for $39,154 (in my area).

Good luck!

Menace370Z · 01-28-2013, 12:32 PM

I second the TrueCar.com suggestion. Once they see you know the numbers it pretty much cuts out a lot of the sales BS.

I just ordered a 13 Z for invoice + tax & fees. Now comes the wait...

Another tip is to talk to more than 1 dealer. First dealer told me they would order for invoice + $1000. Then I went to a 2nd dealer and asked if they could beat another dealers price of invoice + $500. Then went back to 1st dealer and told them another dealer was willing to order for invoice, but I wanted to give them a shot to win the business, which they jumped on and agreed to order at invoice price. It took a lot of back and forth and patience, but well worth it.

darli328 · 01-30-2013, 10:51 AM

Again, I'm not sure if I should post this here or not. But, I got a call today from my dealer telling me the vin number of a car they found at a distribution center. Well I'm having trouble looking it up online. Where is the best place to look? And, is there a chance that it's so new that the vin number isn't in a database yet?

darli328 · 01-30-2013, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by darli328

Again, I'm not sure if I should post this here or not. But, I got a call today from my dealer telling me the vin number of a car they found at a distribution center. Well I'm having trouble looking it up online. Where is the best place to look? And, is there a chance that it's so new that the vin number isn't in a database yet?

Should I start a new thread on this? I searched "VIN" and not much came up.

6MT-Z34 · 01-30-2013, 02:23 PM

Once again thanks so much for your help!,

yeah i'll be definitely be contacting my bank and see what they say...sorry if it sounded "off" on my previous posts (im new to this forum stuff too), guess i should triple check my post before i submit them lol.

I guess i have to wait and see when the car gets here to see whats on my best interest. Thanks for the help!

Edit:
Thanks for the extra advice, I just want to clarify one think and i appreciate your advice very much.

I did my finances and I can afford the car payments + paying back loans + gas & transport to work+money for what ever i need... I have to thank my parents for that and for pushing me to study since I was a little kid and now I'm working as an engineer. I just wanted some extra cash to be able to pay more than the minimum on my loans and not over pay on the car as well with the APR, that's whats worrying me the most and thought i just ask to for advice

Leuz · 01-30-2013, 05:02 PM

Thanks Augustus. I did some research and actually you can find pretty much anything online

Edmunds, carsdirect and the DMV site were helpful in determining what a fair price for the Z I'm looking to buy would be.

Tip for my fellows in California: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/FeeCalculator...VehicleForm.do should give a good estimate of OTD price (licence plate fees not there..) based on the most recent tax laws.

01-27-2013, 11:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
mick Track Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 903 Drives: Used to drive a 370z Rep Power: 18	my car came with the illuminated kick plates. one day, I dropped the iPod on it and that created a big dent. I went to the dealer to get it fixed and it cost big bucks. If you are going to order those kick plates, you have got to be extra careful not to drop things on them. They are softer than a soda can. Knowing what I know, I would rather not have them. DEpointfive0 likes this.

01-28-2013, 11:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
Augustus Base Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Illinois Posts: 146 Drives: 2011 370Z Touring M6 Rep Power: 15	Check out truecar.com. They'll show you the prices that people are actually paying for 370 Z's in your area. You can configure it with options and get an idea of MSRP vs invoice vs market prices. It's just another tool in your negotiating toolbox, but I and a few friends have found their numbers to be generally pretty good. You may be able to do better, but it's a start and gives you an idea of where you "should" be. If nothing else, the "Certified Dealer" numbers you give you something you can print & take to your salesman, "beat this". I've had a couple of salesmen gripe at me about using Truecar numbers from other dealerships, which I take as a good sign. FYI... 2013 370Z Touring + Sport + SatNav + Kick plates = $43,990 MSRP. Invoice = $40,857. TrueCar has "certified dealers" that say they'll do the deal for $39,154 (in my area). Good luck! Last edited by Augustus; 01-28-2013 at 12:09 PM.

01-30-2013, 02:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
6MT-Z34 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: NJ Posts: 1,726 Drives: PW Z Rep Power: 17	Once again thanks so much for your help!, yeah i'll be definitely be contacting my bank and see what they say...sorry if it sounded "off" on my previous posts (im new to this forum stuff too), guess i should triple check my post before i submit them lol. I guess i have to wait and see when the car gets here to see whats on my best interest. Thanks for the help! Edit: Thanks for the extra advice, I just want to clarify one think and i appreciate your advice very much. I did my finances and I can afford the car payments + paying back loans + gas & transport to work+money for what ever i need... I have to thank my parents for that and for pushing me to study since I was a little kid and now I'm working as an engineer. I just wanted some extra cash to be able to pay more than the minimum on my loans and not over pay on the car as well with the APR, that's whats worrying me the most and thought i just ask to for advice Last edited by 6MT-Z34; 01-30-2013 at 03:08 PM.

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darli328 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Seattle Posts: 198 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 14	Thanks!

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darli328 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Seattle Posts: 198 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 14	Again, I'm not sure if I should post this here or not. But, I got a call today from my dealer telling me the vin number of a car they found at a distribution center. Well I'm having trouble looking it up online. Where is the best place to look? And, is there a chance that it's so new that the vin number isn't in a database yet?

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Leuz Track Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: NorCal Posts: 555 Drives: Bunny Rep Power: 15	Thanks Augustus. I did some research and actually you can find pretty much anything online Edmunds, carsdirect and the DMV site were helpful in determining what a fair price for the Z I'm looking to buy would be. Tip for my fellows in California: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/FeeCalculator...VehicleForm.do should give a good estimate of OTD price (licence plate fees not there..) based on the most recent tax laws.