This is the reason why I hate shopping for cars

Originally Posted by chicagozer

Too bad. It's not the dealer's fault if you are upside down on your trade.

I don't know why people act so outraged when they aren't offered a "fair" trade-in value from a dealer. They have to inventory it, inspect it, fix it if necessary, detail it, let it rot on their lot for an unknown time or auction it.

If you don't want the dealer to mess with you, don't bring extra variables to your deal. Don't finance it, don't ask them to take your trade-in and don't buy the extended warranty or dealer accessories.