Renderings of the Next-Gen Z...

didymus · 10-12-2011, 11:45 AM

I don't see them going down in displacement. They'd have to change their whole numbering scheme. Turbo or hybrid, who knows. This is even if they make a new Z (hopefully they do). Of course they have to be mindful of the cost, as they got into trouble with the 300zx (which paritally led to the Z cancellation). I wonder what impact a hybrid would have on sales for a sportscar..

Jay J · 10-12-2011, 01:35 PM

V8 or TT please

Isamu · 10-12-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay J

V8 or TT please

no V8... that would be as blasphemous as sticking a I4 in the Z

TT sounds real nice tho

HKYStormFront · 10-12-2011, 03:02 PM

i spoke with someone recently "in the know" at length about the possibilities for the next generation Z and those that follow. Nissan lost it's *** with the Z32 TT. it was too expensive, too complex and too costly to fix under warranty repair for them to justify at the Z's pricepoint (currently between $30-40k). they will be happy to sell a person who wants a twin turbo Z car a GTR all day long. the Z will remain a 6 cyl front engine, NA, RWD car for the near future according to this person. i tend to believe that. i would imagine direct injection will be next on Nissan's "to-do" list for the "Z35" along with continuing to lower the weight where possible and reduce emissions. i would expect the next Z to have somewhere in the neighborhood of 400bhp (at least the next nismo model) and hopefully drop a few lbs, not that the 370z is heavy by any means. i would also expect a good 10-15% bump in fuel economy and hopefully a true manual option as well as a DCT automated manual trans if the cost can come down enough.

Isamu · 10-12-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

i spoke with someone recently "in the know" at length about the possibilities for the next generation Z and those that follow. Nissan lost it's *** with the Z32 TT. it was too expensive, too complex and too costly to fix under warranty repair for them to justify at the Z's pricepoint (currently between $30-40k). they will be happy to sell a person who wants a twin turbo Z car a GTR all day long. the Z will remain a 6 cyl front engine, NA, RWD car for the near future according to this person. i tend to believe that. i would imagine direct injection will be next on Nissan's "to-do" list for the "Z35" along with continuing to lower the weight where possible and reduce emissions. i would expect the next Z to have somewhere in the neighborhood of 400bhp (at least the next nismo model) and hopefully drop a few lbs, not that the 370z is heavy by any means. i would also expect a good 10-15% bump in fuel economy and hopefully a true manual option as well as a DCT automated manual trans if the cost can come down enough.

They lost there *** on the Z32 because it wasn't the time for it..
now days, even with the economy as is. they could make their fair share back..
I could see a dumbed down version of the GTR motor in the next Z... it's feasable..
I mean look at the crazy ish they are doing with the JUKE.. not that that will ever see production.. BUT, it's them seeing whats really possible...

the next Z on the Juke platform...

Spikuh · 10-12-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

the next Z on the Juke platform...

That would be the new S car. :P

Ron · 10-12-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

i spoke with someone recently "in the know" at length about the possibilities for the next generation Z and those that follow. Nissan lost it's *** with the Z32 TT. it was too expensive, too complex and too costly to fix under warranty repair for them to justify at the Z's pricepoint (currently between $30-40k). they will be happy to sell a person who wants a twin turbo Z car a GTR all day long. the Z will remain a 6 cyl front engine, NA, RWD car for the near future according to this person. i tend to believe that. i would imagine direct injection will be next on Nissan's "to-do" list for the "Z35" along with continuing to lower the weight where possible and reduce emissions. i would expect the next Z to have somewhere in the neighborhood of 400bhp (at least the next nismo model) and hopefully drop a few lbs, not that the 370z is heavy by any means. i would also expect a good 10-15% bump in fuel economy and hopefully a true manual option as well as a DCT automated manual trans if the cost can come down enough.

what do you mean by "true manual"?

HKYStormFront · 10-12-2011, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

what do you mean by "true manual"?

three pedals

HKYStormFront · 10-12-2011, 03:38 PM

making the Z forced induction would raise the price significantly, figure somewhere between the $50-60k range, especially with a big robust hunk of aluminum like the VR38 block. also keep in mind the VR block was specifically developed to be in the GTR and was never intended to be bolted to a transmission (the GTR's is in the back of the car). the Z powertrain is relatively inexpensive and easy to repair. why was the Z32 "not feasible" to go forced induction? it had an overbuilt chassis with a beefy transmission, engine and axle. it still had it's issues and owners who destroyed components.

the juke w/ the GTR motor is just a pipe dream "can we do it?" test. no way in hell it will ever see the light of day in showrooms

Isamu · 10-12-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

making the Z forced induction would raise the price significantly, figure somewhere between the $50-60k range, especially with a big robust hunk of aluminum like the VR38 block. also keep in mind the VR block was specifically developed to be in the GTR and was never intended to be bolted to a transmission (the GTR's is in the back of the car). the Z powertrain is relatively inexpensive and easy to repair. why was the Z32 "not feasible" to go forced induction? it had an overbuilt chassis with a beefy transmission, engine and axle. it still had it's issues and owners who destroyed components.

the juke w/ the GTR motor is just a pipe dream "can we do it?" test. no way in hell it will ever see the light of day in showrooms

did you read a word I wrote?
I already stated that the Juke R was just a fun thing they were doing. and that it wasn't headed for production.. BUT, perhaps they are doing it for more then a can we... the Juke platform for the next Z? possible.. yes.. likely, probably not.. but perhaps they are seeing what is viable..

I really don't know where you get your numbers from, but adding forced induction doesn't have to raise the price to high 50's low 60's.
especially if they are using technology already in use, and adapting it to a new model. I don't get your why was the z32 not feasable to go FI.. because it was FI.. and it was full of cool stuff like HICAS(which is admittedly garbage... ) I dog my Z32 auto TT and it runs strong, aside from the weak alternator, but its an OEM alt from 91...
my Manual TT is being rebuilt, but there wasn't really anything wrong with it.. just wanted MORE out of it..

Ron · 10-12-2011, 03:44 PM

don't we have that already?

HKYStormFront · 10-12-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

don't we have that already?

yes, i was saying i hope that continues instead of just being a DCT style transmission like the GTR where no 3 pedal option is offered (tho it is a great transmission)

Ron · 10-12-2011, 03:48 PM

gotcha!

HKYStormFront · 10-12-2011, 03:58 PM

why would the next Z be based on a FWD SUV platform like the Juke? the price of the Z would have to raise to the 50-60k range for F/I because of the added cost of the extra components as well as the ability to give it at least the standard warranty. that's what killed them. they sold the Z32 very close to what it cost them to make it (which was very expensive for the time). when people started trashing transmissions and rear axles it cost them a lot of money to replace those parts under warranty. now they could release a TT Z again and do the GTR method of "if you break it, you fix it but we'll cover everything else" but that would only make a bad situation worse. it's much easier for them to warranty an N/A car and they are happy to let companies like Stillen and GTM develop forced induction kits to put on the cars for the owners who want them which takes the liability of the warranty off the car. that's basically what it comes down to and that's straight from the "source" i talked to

Isamu · 10-12-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

why would the next Z be based on a FWD SUV platform like the Juke? the price of the Z would have to raise to the 50-60k range for F/I because of the added cost of the extra components as well as the ability to give it at least the standard warranty. that's what killed them. they sold the Z32 very close to what it cost them to make it (which was very expensive for the time). when people started trashing transmissions and rear axles it cost them a lot of money to replace those parts under warranty. now they could release a TT Z again and do the GTR method of "if you break it, you fix it but we'll cover everything else" but that would only make a bad situation worse. it's much easier for them to warranty an N/A car and they are happy to let companies like Stillen and GTM develop forced induction kits to put on the cars for the owners who want them which takes the liability of the warranty off the car. that's basically what it comes down to and that's straight from the "source" i talked to

I have seen some cool stuff come from cross platform concepts.. im just saying.. and I agree it would be better for nissan to do an NA, but I really don't think 50-60K would be a accurate reading I would say mid to upper 40's..
BECAUSE they already have existing technology

10-12-2011, 03:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
HKYStormFront A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 14,954 Drives: 06 Frontier SE 6spd Rep Power: 53	i spoke with someone recently "in the know" at length about the possibilities for the next generation Z and those that follow. Nissan lost it's * with the Z32 TT. it was too expensive, too complex and too costly to fix under warranty repair for them to justify at the Z's pricepoint (currently between $30-40k). they will be happy to sell a person who wants a twin turbo Z car a GTR all day long. the Z will remain a 6 cyl front engine, NA, RWD car for the near future according to this person. i tend to believe that. i would imagine direct injection will be next on Nissan's "to-do" list for the "Z35" along with continuing to lower the weight where possible and reduce emissions. i would expect the next Z to have somewhere in the neighborhood of 400bhp (at least the next nismo model) and hopefully drop a few lbs, not that the 370z is heavy by any means. i would also expect a good 10-15% bump in fuel economy and hopefully a true manual option as well as a DCT automated manual trans if the cost can come down enough. __________________ Patrick // 06 Frontier 6spd Nismosis // Mods: Uprev Tuned @ Z1 Motorsports: 257whp & 292 ft lbs** 09 Pontiac G8 GXP // M6 // Sunroof // Tint... For now

10-12-2011, 03:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
HKYStormFront A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 14,954 Drives: 06 Frontier SE 6spd Rep Power: 53	making the Z forced induction would raise the price significantly, figure somewhere between the $50-60k range, especially with a big robust hunk of aluminum like the VR38 block. also keep in mind the VR block was specifically developed to be in the GTR and was never intended to be bolted to a transmission (the GTR's is in the back of the car). the Z powertrain is relatively inexpensive and easy to repair. why was the Z32 "not feasible" to go forced induction? it had an overbuilt chassis with a beefy transmission, engine and axle. it still had it's issues and owners who destroyed components. the juke w/ the GTR motor is just a pipe dream "can we do it?" test. no way in hell it will ever see the light of day in showrooms __________________ Patrick // 06 Frontier 6spd Nismosis // Mods: Uprev Tuned @ Z1 Motorsports: 257whp & 292 ft lbs 09 Pontiac G8 GXP // M6 // Sunroof // Tint... For now

10-12-2011, 03:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
HKYStormFront A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 14,954 Drives: 06 Frontier SE 6spd Rep Power: 53	why would the next Z be based on a FWD SUV platform like the Juke? the price of the Z would have to raise to the 50-60k range for F/I because of the added cost of the extra components as well as the ability to give it at least the standard warranty. that's what killed them. they sold the Z32 very close to what it cost them to make it (which was very expensive for the time). when people started trashing transmissions and rear axles it cost them a lot of money to replace those parts under warranty. now they could release a TT Z again and do the GTR method of "if you break it, you fix it but we'll cover everything else" but that would only make a bad situation worse. it's much easier for them to warranty an N/A car and they are happy to let companies like Stillen and GTM develop forced induction kits to put on the cars for the owners who want them which takes the liability of the warranty off the car. that's basically what it comes down to and that's straight from the "source" i talked to __________________ Patrick // 06 Frontier 6spd Nismosis // Mods: Uprev Tuned @ Z1 Motorsports: 257whp & 292 ft lbs 09 Pontiac G8 GXP // M6 // Sunroof // Tint... For now

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10-12-2011, 11:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
didymus Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Providence / Boston Posts: 564 Drives: 280 / 370Z Rep Power: 307	I don't see them going down in displacement. They'd have to change their whole numbering scheme. Turbo or hybrid, who knows. This is even if they make a new Z (hopefully they do). Of course they have to be mindful of the cost, as they got into trouble with the 300zx (which paritally led to the Z cancellation). I wonder what impact a hybrid would have on sales for a sportscar..

10-12-2011, 01:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jay J Base Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Socal Posts: 30 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 16	V8 or TT please

10-12-2011, 03:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ron A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,009 Drives: TT '11 PW Nismo #113 Rep Power: 22	don't we have that already?

10-12-2011, 03:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ron A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,009 Drives: TT '11 PW Nismo #113 Rep Power: 22	gotcha!