Renderings of the Next-Gen Z...

theDreamer · 10-12-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bigsix

"light and Nimble" is where a 4 cylinder could come in and further separate it from their supercar. .

Most likely a smaller V6 though, I agree. Nissan makes V6 engines very well.

Well, remember engine weight between a 4/6/8 are very similar today. I have seen an LS motor put into a s2k and only gain a couple pounds.
The issue with the Z though is the 'size' of the car and safety requirements just add weight, but Nissan could lower it with better material and technology but might raise the price more.

didymus · 10-12-2011, 11:45 AM

I don't see them going down in displacement. They'd have to change their whole numbering scheme. Turbo or hybrid, who knows. This is even if they make a new Z (hopefully they do). Of course they have to be mindful of the cost, as they got into trouble with the 300zx (which paritally led to the Z cancellation). I wonder what impact a hybrid would have on sales for a sportscar..

Isamu · 10-12-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Well, remember engine weight between a 4/6/8 are very similar today. I have seen an LS motor put into a s2k and only gain a couple pounds.
The issue with the Z though is the 'size' of the car and safety requirements just add weight, but Nissan could lower it with better material and technology but might raise the price more.

I could see them going back to a 3.5L v6 TT... they do the turbo thing so very well as has been stated before...
I don't see them dropping all the way down to 3.0L UNLESS they have been retooling the VG30DETT in secret to make a VQ30DETT... but who knows those guys at Nissan are a wiley bunch!

theDreamer · 10-12-2011, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

I could see them going back to a 3.5L v6 TT... they do the turbo thing so very well as has been stated before...
I don't see them dropping all the way down to 3.0L UNLESS they have been retooling the VG30DETT in secret to make a VQ30DETT... but who knows those guys at Nissan are a wiley bunch!

I really hope to see a new motor from Nissan, the VQ is becoming a bit old and a new design could really boost the Z forward.

Isamu · 10-12-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

I really hope to see a new motor from Nissan, the VQ is becoming a bit old and a new design could really boost the Z forward.

there is no VQ30... so it would be a new motor in an old family...

or they could come up with a new naming scheme... VRXXDETT, or something like that lol

370Ztune · 10-12-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

there is no VQ30... so it would be a new motor in an old family...

or they could come up with a new naming scheme... VRXXDETT, or something like that lol

Nissan did the VQ30 already. It was the motor for the Maxima about 10 years back. They also had a turbo version - VQ30DET - which was on a few luxury cars in Japan.

They also did the VQ30DETT already; it was the motor used in the R34 and Z33 Super GT cars for a little while.

Jay J · 10-12-2011, 01:35 PM

V8 or TT please

Isamu · 10-12-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Ztune

Nissan did the VQ30 already. It was the motor for the Maxima about 10 years back. They also had a turbo version - VQ30DET - which was on a few luxury cars in Japan.

They also did the VQ30DETT already; it was the motor used in the R34 and Z33 Super GT cars for a little while.

orly? neat info!
well then, it's time for a new VXXXDETT

Isamu · 10-12-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay J

V8 or TT please

no V8... that would be as blasphemous as sticking a I4 in the Z

TT sounds real nice tho

HKYStormFront · 10-12-2011, 03:02 PM

i spoke with someone recently "in the know" at length about the possibilities for the next generation Z and those that follow. Nissan lost it's *** with the Z32 TT. it was too expensive, too complex and too costly to fix under warranty repair for them to justify at the Z's pricepoint (currently between $30-40k). they will be happy to sell a person who wants a twin turbo Z car a GTR all day long. the Z will remain a 6 cyl front engine, NA, RWD car for the near future according to this person. i tend to believe that. i would imagine direct injection will be next on Nissan's "to-do" list for the "Z35" along with continuing to lower the weight where possible and reduce emissions. i would expect the next Z to have somewhere in the neighborhood of 400bhp (at least the next nismo model) and hopefully drop a few lbs, not that the 370z is heavy by any means. i would also expect a good 10-15% bump in fuel economy and hopefully a true manual option as well as a DCT automated manual trans if the cost can come down enough.

Isamu · 10-12-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

i spoke with someone recently "in the know" at length about the possibilities for the next generation Z and those that follow. Nissan lost it's *** with the Z32 TT. it was too expensive, too complex and too costly to fix under warranty repair for them to justify at the Z's pricepoint (currently between $30-40k). they will be happy to sell a person who wants a twin turbo Z car a GTR all day long. the Z will remain a 6 cyl front engine, NA, RWD car for the near future according to this person. i tend to believe that. i would imagine direct injection will be next on Nissan's "to-do" list for the "Z35" along with continuing to lower the weight where possible and reduce emissions. i would expect the next Z to have somewhere in the neighborhood of 400bhp (at least the next nismo model) and hopefully drop a few lbs, not that the 370z is heavy by any means. i would also expect a good 10-15% bump in fuel economy and hopefully a true manual option as well as a DCT automated manual trans if the cost can come down enough.

They lost there *** on the Z32 because it wasn't the time for it..
now days, even with the economy as is. they could make their fair share back..
I could see a dumbed down version of the GTR motor in the next Z... it's feasable..
I mean look at the crazy ish they are doing with the JUKE.. not that that will ever see production.. BUT, it's them seeing whats really possible...

the next Z on the Juke platform...

Ron · 10-12-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

i spoke with someone recently "in the know" at length about the possibilities for the next generation Z and those that follow. Nissan lost it's *** with the Z32 TT. it was too expensive, too complex and too costly to fix under warranty repair for them to justify at the Z's pricepoint (currently between $30-40k). they will be happy to sell a person who wants a twin turbo Z car a GTR all day long. the Z will remain a 6 cyl front engine, NA, RWD car for the near future according to this person. i tend to believe that. i would imagine direct injection will be next on Nissan's "to-do" list for the "Z35" along with continuing to lower the weight where possible and reduce emissions. i would expect the next Z to have somewhere in the neighborhood of 400bhp (at least the next nismo model) and hopefully drop a few lbs, not that the 370z is heavy by any means. i would also expect a good 10-15% bump in fuel economy and hopefully a true manual option as well as a DCT automated manual trans if the cost can come down enough.

what do you mean by "true manual"?

HKYStormFront · 10-12-2011, 03:38 PM

making the Z forced induction would raise the price significantly, figure somewhere between the $50-60k range, especially with a big robust hunk of aluminum like the VR38 block. also keep in mind the VR block was specifically developed to be in the GTR and was never intended to be bolted to a transmission (the GTR's is in the back of the car). the Z powertrain is relatively inexpensive and easy to repair. why was the Z32 "not feasible" to go forced induction? it had an overbuilt chassis with a beefy transmission, engine and axle. it still had it's issues and owners who destroyed components.

the juke w/ the GTR motor is just a pipe dream "can we do it?" test. no way in hell it will ever see the light of day in showrooms

HKYStormFront · 10-12-2011, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

what do you mean by "true manual"?

three pedals

Ron · 10-12-2011, 03:44 PM

don't we have that already?

10-12-2011, 03:02 PM	#70 (permalink)
HKYStormFront A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 14,954 Drives: 06 Frontier SE 6spd Rep Power: 52	i spoke with someone recently "in the know" at length about the possibilities for the next generation Z and those that follow. Nissan lost it's * with the Z32 TT. it was too expensive, too complex and too costly to fix under warranty repair for them to justify at the Z's pricepoint (currently between $30-40k). they will be happy to sell a person who wants a twin turbo Z car a GTR all day long. the Z will remain a 6 cyl front engine, NA, RWD car for the near future according to this person. i tend to believe that. i would imagine direct injection will be next on Nissan's "to-do" list for the "Z35" along with continuing to lower the weight where possible and reduce emissions. i would expect the next Z to have somewhere in the neighborhood of 400bhp (at least the next nismo model) and hopefully drop a few lbs, not that the 370z is heavy by any means. i would also expect a good 10-15% bump in fuel economy and hopefully a true manual option as well as a DCT automated manual trans if the cost can come down enough. __________________ Patrick // 06 Frontier 6spd Nismosis // Mods: Uprev Tuned @ Z1 Motorsports: 257whp & 292 ft lbs** 09 Pontiac G8 GXP // M6 // Sunroof // Tint... For now

10-12-2011, 03:38 PM	#73 (permalink)
HKYStormFront A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 14,954 Drives: 06 Frontier SE 6spd Rep Power: 52	making the Z forced induction would raise the price significantly, figure somewhere between the $50-60k range, especially with a big robust hunk of aluminum like the VR38 block. also keep in mind the VR block was specifically developed to be in the GTR and was never intended to be bolted to a transmission (the GTR's is in the back of the car). the Z powertrain is relatively inexpensive and easy to repair. why was the Z32 "not feasible" to go forced induction? it had an overbuilt chassis with a beefy transmission, engine and axle. it still had it's issues and owners who destroyed components. the juke w/ the GTR motor is just a pipe dream "can we do it?" test. no way in hell it will ever see the light of day in showrooms __________________ Patrick // 06 Frontier 6spd Nismosis // Mods: Uprev Tuned @ Z1 Motorsports: 257whp & 292 ft lbs 09 Pontiac G8 GXP // M6 // Sunroof // Tint... For now

10-12-2011, 11:45 AM	#62 (permalink)
didymus Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Providence / Boston Posts: 564 Drives: 280 / 370Z Rep Power: 305	I don't see them going down in displacement. They'd have to change their whole numbering scheme. Turbo or hybrid, who knows. This is even if they make a new Z (hopefully they do). Of course they have to be mindful of the cost, as they got into trouble with the 300zx (which paritally led to the Z cancellation). I wonder what impact a hybrid would have on sales for a sportscar..

10-12-2011, 01:35 PM	#67 (permalink)
Jay J Base Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Socal Posts: 30 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 14	V8 or TT please

10-12-2011, 03:44 PM	#75 (permalink)
Ron A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,009 Drives: TT '11 PW Nismo #113 Rep Power: 21	don't we have that already?