Is Nismo Really Worth It?

Lug · 10-07-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

The whole "Buy a Base and mod it" argument to justify the difference in price makes little sense. Sure, a Base will out-perform a NISMO with the price delta spent on modifications, but then again...so will a Honda Civic. Or a 335i vs. an M3. Or a base Corvette vs. a Z06. It's a moot point.

Focus on comparing the cars stock, which in that case all the evidence presented supports the argument that a Base/Sport Z out-performs the NISMO as they are. Not taking into consideration price, I think many people would have still chosen a Base/Sport over the NISMO.

But then again, the 7AT outperforms the 6MT in bench test racing.

I have to assume they will eventually figure out what the problem is with the NISMO. On paper, the 18 hp bump more than makes up for the slight weight gain. The poor acceleration results have been attributed by some to the fact that every NISMO we've seen tested was far under recommended break in miles. What they can't explain is the handling, that's NOT effected by any break in period. Stiffening the chassis doesn't normally cause lateral grip to drop from .97-.99 to .91-.95. In fact, I've never seen this result, ever. I still suspect there is something wonky with the tires used on the NISMO.

JoeD · 10-07-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

But then again, the 7AT outperforms the 6MT in bench test racing.

Correct. And it's not bench-racing...no one with a 6MT has yet to match or beat the times a few people with 7ATs have run. The quickest Zs thus far have shown to be automatics.

Perhaps as time goes on and more people make to a drag-strip providing more conclusive data. This will either disprove or further solidify this sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Lug

On paper, the 18 hp bump more than makes up for the slight weight gain. The poor acceleration results have been attributed by some to the fact that every NISMO we've seen tested was far under recommended break in miles. What they can't explain is the handling, that's NOT effected by any break in period. Stiffening the chassis doesn't normally cause lateral grip to drop from .97-.99 to .91-.95. In fact, I've never seen this result, ever. I still suspect there is something wonky with the tires used on the NISMO.

The break-in excuse is cute, although laughable. We still have yet to see baseline dyno-charts to compare, so I'm still curious to see where that 18 extra HP is. I'm guessing the ECU tuning and exhaust either does nothing or shifts the power around in the rev-range to effectively do nothing. The deficit in handling, both in terms of grip and slalom-speed, can definitely be explained by tires, but suspension-tuning also has a lot to do with it. Yes, I have a lot of faith in NISMO, but u can't just stiffen the suspension (careful...the suspension is stiffer, not the chassis) and automatically expect to have a better handling car. Throw in the fact that the Yokos perhaps don't perform up to the level of the RE050As and you have your answer.

Equinox · 10-07-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

Correct. And it's not bench-racing...no one with a 6MT has yet to match or beat the times a few people with 7ATs have run. The quickest Zs thus far have shown to be automatics.

Perhaps as time goes on and more people make to a drag-strip providing more conclusive data. This will either disprove or further solidify this sentiment.

The break-in excuse is cute, although laughable. We still have yet to see baseline dyno-charts to compare, so I'm still curious to see where that 18 extra HP is. I'm guessing the ECU tuning and exhaust either does nothing or shifts the power around in the rev-range to effectively do nothing. The deficit in handling, both in terms of grip and slalom-speed, can definitely be explained by tires, but suspension-tuning also has a lot to do with it. Yes, I have a lot of faith in NISMO, but u can't just stiffen the suspension (careful...the suspension is stiffer, not the chassis) and automatically expect to have a better handling car. Throw in the fact that the Yokos perhaps don't perform up to the level of the RE050As and you have your answer.

as you can see in my signature, I only manage 274whp at 2000 miles.

Nismo_370 · 10-07-2009, 05:54 PM

YES! I Love it! HaHa

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