More info on the next 370Z

Justice97 · 08-28-2014, 12:20 PM

If they are no longer using engine displacement in the name, I am never selling my 370Z.

Looking for a 240Z, gotta have the first if I am keeping the last.

Firebase99 · 08-28-2014, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd

This thread has gone down in a ball of fire

Never had a chance.

Volk Z · 08-28-2014, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Justice97

If they are no longer using engine displacement in the name, I am never selling my 370Z.

Looking for a 240Z, gotta have the first if I am keeping the last.

So if they came out with the car named "Z" with no number and had an in line 6 twin turbo and was priced really well say 55k that wouldn't appeal to you?

Personally I like the car to be named something a little more stealth like Z not 390z or whatever to include displacement.

theDreamer · 08-28-2014, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Justice97

If they are no longer using engine displacement in the name, I am never selling my 370Z.

Looking for a 240Z, gotta have the first if I am keeping the last.

It was never meant to be engine displacement as the name, even the US it was suppose to be called Fairlady Z, but they changed it before launch.

edk370 · 08-28-2014, 02:48 PM

maaaan, but if the next Z is like the S30 by using an inline-6, and turbo charging it a la BMW's current M3/4...I'm in line to buy it. I don't know why BMW recently decided to do the inline 6 turbo thing. I always thought they were lower displacement, high revving, high h.p. but wuss torque thing like Honda? It was a way to showcase German engineering.

I digress. Nissan needs to revive the turbo-6 thing. Do it, do it, do it!

Justice97 · 08-28-2014, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z

So if they came out with the car named "Z" with no number and had an in line 6 twin turbo and was priced really well say 55k that wouldn't appeal to you?

Personally I like the car to be named something a little more stealth like Z not 390z or whatever to include displacement.

Never said I wouldn't buy another...yes it would appeal.

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

It was never meant to be engine displacement as the name, even the US it was suppose to be called Fairlady Z, but they changed it before launch.

"Meant" means nothing, "is" means everything.

Volk Z · 08-29-2014, 08:59 AM

Well the good news is a lot of the car makers are putting some effort in creating the next big sports car that's affordable... even kia is trying to jump in with the stinger... 315hp rwd 4 cylinder turbo. Toyota is showcasing the ft1 and talk of upping thee frs to a more 370z ballgame for power and performance with a 300 plus Hp engine and lightweight....quality

This is good news for us consumers as now they have competition pushing them to up their game or they will be out of the rat race.

I am hoping for another era like the 90s which had a plethora of amazing affordable performance cars to choose from.

Nargrakhan · 08-30-2014, 10:24 AM

Hmm... I've been wondering...

Nissan has been putting the IDx on the table, off the table, then on the table for awhile now. If it happens, we're looking at 2018 at the earliest. The car is supposed to be at or under $30,000.

We now have the next generation Z, which at the earliest would be 2016... Nissan could probably afford to have it slip to 2017, since their trying to milk the new NISMO for the last remaining drops.

On top of all that, there's the future GT-R.

So that means Nissan will have THREE sports car lines. Others have been telling me, it's unusual for that many to be supported at once: especially in today's market.

If the IDx does happen, wouldn't Nissan be competing with itself if the new Z was also in the 30K range? I thought that was something companies didn't like. Why would Nissan have a $30,000 Z series and $30,000 IDx series? Wouldn't it be one or the other?

Either the new Z is moving to a different price bracket, or the IDx will be the more expensive brand.

Z_ealot · 08-30-2014, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nargrakhan

Hmm... I've been wondering...

Nissan has been putting the IDx on the table, off the table, then on the table for awhile now. If it happens, we're looking at 2018 at the earliest. The car is supposed to be at or under $30,000.

We now have the next generation Z, which at the earliest would be 2016... Nissan could probably afford to have it slip to 2017, since their trying to milk the new NISMO for the last remaining drops.

On top of all that, there's the future GT-R.

So that means Nissan will have THREE sports car lines. Others have been telling me, it's unusual for that many to be supported at once: especially in today's market.

If the IDx does happen, wouldn't Nissan be competing with itself if the new Z was also in the 30K range? I thought that was something companies didn't like. Why would Nissan have a $30,000 Z series and $30,000 IDx series? Wouldn't it be one or the other?

Either the new Z is moving to a different price bracket, or the IDx will be the more expensive brand.

except that the 30k mark is what nissan is trying to keep the iDX under, the reason the iDX has been having trouble getting approved by nissan corporate is that they didnt have an existing platform that could support it, but with the talk now of it sharing the next gen Z's platform it now has one which will make it considerably less expensive to produce. nissan has always had the iDX aimed squarely at taking on the toyota/subaru twins including in the pricing department. the whole $30k figure came about only because nissan was quoted as saying that with the iDX they would have trouble keeping the price under 30k as they would have to invest in creating a chassis for it, but as has been said, that is now solved by them using the next gen Z chassis for the iDX as well. i could very well see the iDX being their new entry level sports car and then having the Z be the in between with the GT-R being their top of the line.

Nargrakhan · 08-30-2014, 10:45 AM

So the IDx is going to look -- or at least have the same shape -- as the new Z? The IDx is a poor man's Z?

The IDx is going to be cheaper, because those getting the new Z, will be paying the difference? Robbing from Peter to pay Paul?

KaienZ34 · 08-30-2014, 10:55 AM

They won't look like each other, they will share many things under the skin.

Z_ealot · 08-30-2014, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KaienZ34

They won't look like each other, they will share many things under the skin.

exactly, much like the G37 coupe and the 370Z....same idea, just at a lower price point

Volk Z · 08-30-2014, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nargrakhan

Hmm... I've been wondering...

Nissan has been putting the IDx on the table, off the table, then on the table for awhile now. If it happens, we're looking at 2018 at the earliest. The car is supposed to be at or under $30,000.

We now have the next generation Z, which at the earliest would be 2016... Nissan could probably afford to have it slip to 2017, since their trying to milk the new NISMO for the last remaining drops.

On top of all that, there's the future GT-R.

So that means Nissan will have THREE sports car lines. Others have been telling me, it's unusual for that many to be supported at once: especially in today's market.

If the IDx does happen, wouldn't Nissan be competing with itself if the new Z was also in the 30K range? I thought that was something companies didn't like. Why would Nissan have a $30,000 Z series and $30,000 IDx series? Wouldn't it be one or the other?

Either the new Z is moving to a different price bracket, or the IDx will be the more expensive brand.

Yep Toyota is planning to do the same thing. 3 sports cars.
Scion frs I with a 4 cylinder turbo at around 30
Toyota supra with a possible 6 cylinder turbo
A yaris type hatch with a 4 cylinder turbo. Will be a gti type car. OR fiesta type.

Like in said the sports car market will be saturated soon which is good for us likening the 90s.

Mazda has talk of a rx7 successor. Honda talks of a sports car. Kim bringing in the stinger. Ford offering 4 cylinder turbo. V6 an don't v8 platform.
Even lotus elise is supposed to be around 55k with a 320hp 4 cylinder turbo only weighing 2400 pounds.

I'm looking at my next car to be under 60k but pack one heck of a performance package. My eyes are on the Lotus elise or Toyota supra aka Ft1.
Unless the new z is amazing I'm moving on to a new brand after 10 years of Z's

edk370 · 08-30-2014, 08:04 PM

A car company does not place its bets on sports cars. Only Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, and the like do that....Well, Porsche does SUVs too. But regular car companies cannot afford to invest all its resources and time into the engineering, testing, R&D etc. to build an affordable line of sports cars. Nissan and the other Japanese cars did in the late 80s to mid 90s, and they paid for it (how ever you want to interpret that).

Everything is going to be either hybrid or full electric. That is the near future.

Volk Z · 08-30-2014, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nargrakhan

Hmm... I've been wondering...

Nissan has been putting the IDx on the table, off the table, then on the table for awhile now. If it happens, we're looking at 2018 at the earliest. The car is supposed to be at or under $30,000.

We now have the next generation Z, which at the earliest would be 2016... Nissan could probably afford to have it slip to 2017, since their trying to milk the new NISMO for the last remaining drops.

On top of all that, there's the future GT-R.

So that means Nissan will have THREE sports car lines. Others have been telling me, it's unusual for that many to be supported at once: especially in today's market.

If the IDx does happen, wouldn't Nissan be competing with itself if the new Z was also in the 30K range? I thought that was something companies didn't like. Why would Nissan have a $30,000 Z series and $30,000 IDx series? Wouldn't it be one or the other?

Either the new Z is moving to a different price bracket, or the IDx will be the more expensive brand.

Yep Toyota is planning to do the same thing. 3 sports cars.
Scion frs I with a 4 cylinder turbo at around 30
Toyota supra with a possible 6 cylinder turbo
A yaris type hatch with a 4 cylinder turbo. Will be a gti type car. OR fiesta type.

Like in said the sports car market will be saturated soon which is good for us likening the 90s.

Mazda has talk of a rx7 successor. Honda talks of a sports car. Kia bringing in the stinger. Ford offering 4 cylinder turbo. V6 an don't v8 platform.
Even lotus elise is supposed to be around 55k with a 320hp 4 cylinder turbo only weighing 2400 pounds.

I'm looking at my next car to be under 60k but pack one heck of a performance package. My eyes are on the Lotus elise or Toyota supra aka Ft1.
Unless the new z is amazing I'm moving on to a new brand after 10 years of Z's

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08-28-2014, 12:20 PM	#241 (permalink)
Justice97 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: San Antonio Posts: 387 Drives: 11 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 15	If they are no longer using engine displacement in the name, I am never selling my 370Z. Looking for a 240Z, gotta have the first if I am keeping the last.

08-28-2014, 02:48 PM	#245 (permalink)
edk370 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: So Cal Posts: 296 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 12	maaaan, but if the next Z is like the S30 by using an inline-6, and turbo charging it a la BMW's current M3/4...I'm in line to buy it. I don't know why BMW recently decided to do the inline 6 turbo thing. I always thought they were lower displacement, high revving, high h.p. but wuss torque thing like Honda? It was a way to showcase German engineering. I digress. Nissan needs to revive the turbo-6 thing. Do it, do it, do it!

08-30-2014, 10:24 AM	#248 (permalink)
Nargrakhan Base Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Nowhere Posts: 176 Drives: Nothing Rep Power: 11	Hmm... I've been wondering... Nissan has been putting the IDx on the table, off the table, then on the table for awhile now. If it happens, we're looking at 2018 at the earliest. The car is supposed to be at or under $30,000. We now have the next generation Z, which at the earliest would be 2016... Nissan could probably afford to have it slip to 2017, since their trying to milk the new NISMO for the last remaining drops. On top of all that, there's the future GT-R. So that means Nissan will have THREE sports car lines. Others have been telling me, it's unusual for that many to be supported at once: especially in today's market. If the IDx does happen, wouldn't Nissan be competing with itself if the new Z was also in the 30K range? I thought that was something companies didn't like. Why would Nissan have a $30,000 Z series and $30,000 IDx series? Wouldn't it be one or the other? Either the new Z is moving to a different price bracket, or the IDx will be the more expensive brand.

08-30-2014, 10:45 AM	#250 (permalink)
Nargrakhan Base Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Nowhere Posts: 176 Drives: Nothing Rep Power: 11	So the IDx is going to look -- or at least have the same shape -- as the new Z? The IDx is a poor man's Z? The IDx is going to be cheaper, because those getting the new Z, will be paying the difference? Robbing from Peter to pay Paul?

08-30-2014, 08:04 PM	#254 (permalink)
edk370 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: So Cal Posts: 296 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 12	A car company does not place its bets on sports cars. Only Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, and the like do that....Well, Porsche does SUVs too. But regular car companies cannot afford to invest all its resources and time into the engineering, testing, R&D etc. to build an affordable line of sports cars. Nissan and the other Japanese cars did in the late 80s to mid 90s, and they paid for it (how ever you want to interpret that). Everything is going to be either hybrid or full electric. That is the near future.