Z35 motor theory

brucelidat

There's no way the ft-1/supra will be in the z price range. I think, especially if it looks anything like that, it will at least need to be in the vette range minimum.

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njobe89

i was reading somewhere that the price might be $80,000+

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Davey

I don't get Toyota FT-1 plan, nor how that would/should fit with Nissan's new Z plans.

Clearly the FR-S doesn't compete with the current Z, and the current Z would need to move upmarket to compete with the FT-1... What about something between the FR-S and the FT-1?

In other words... This makes no sense to me... Toyota has the FR-S which is a cheap-ish, slow, entry level kind of car, so they expect people to move up to a $50K+ car from that?

They're leaving a rather large hole in the line-up if you ask me.

watson853

The ft-1 and new s2000 are rumored to cost between 50-60,000 so yes it is vette territory for sure. So if nissan builds the two different models like they have been hinting at i see the base model being just the turbo 4 and being lighter than the current Z, and the nismo gets the hybrid setup to compete with the supra and s2000. I want the turbo inline 6 as much as everyone here but it just looks less and less likely.

b15

I'd rather Nissan push the Z upmarket instead of trying to keep the Z cheap. There's a nice slot in the $40-$60k range that won't impact the GTR. Nissan needs to give the Z the attention and engineering it deserves. I would buy an upmarket Z with power and handling over a Corvette. Then to fill the gap for those that want a cheap sports car, a reinvented 240sx would fit the bill nicely.

One can dream, right?

Nargrakhan

I've been a supporter of this idea for years. In my fantasy world:

Nissan GT-R would be the $100,000+ lineup.
Nissan Z would be the $50,000+ lineup.
Nissan IDx would be the $25,000+ lineup.

Yes, that would make the Z a not low cost vehicle, but it would let Nissan finally get their cards in order, and offer a Z that doesn't cut corners to fit lower price brackets.

GT-R is the raw power that doesn't care how it looks, just give pure performance. Z is power with a sexy exterior that screams beautiful car. IDx is for power that's afforable in a form that's easy to mod.

In the real world though, it seems the IDx is being difficult for Nissan to deliver without it costing as much as the current Z.

Virtual

its rare for any car company to have more than two sport cars in their lineup let alone 3. The best company that can pull that off right now is mazda, the miata to fight the frs/brz and to bring back the rx7 to fight the 370 or a turbo-charged version of the brz/frs (because we all know thats coming). The Z as it is definitely makes the frs/brz look overpriced. I just hope the Z or GTR don't get axed for the IDx in the long run

b15

This is true. My second dream is that they go back to the Z32 days and offer two engines. An NA model to keep costs down for those looking for a quick, affordable sports car, then a decked out Turbo model sitting at the top of the line up for those who want power, style and all the goodies. Throw in a stripped down track variant as well. This is what the domestic makers do. You can configure a Mustang/Camaro/Corvette in so many ways to fit many different budgets, however the Z is no where near the production scale of the aforementioned three, so it would make very little business sense to build so many different options.

watson853

The s2000 is using a hybrid turbo four set up very similar to the ft-1. They both want horsepower to be around 380ish. Honda has stated a 50-60,000 price goal so I'd be curious to see if Toyota lets honda undercut them that much on what should be very similar performance.

TheBoomSpoon

I still think 40k+ is just ridiculous. I'll be looking for 400hp, under 3100 pounds for under 40k and thats what i'll buy i guess....

Or buying a FRS and modding that thing likr crazy, i'm sure the turbo kits are far cheaper for it

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UNKNOWN_370

In your hypo analysis...

Youre not factoring in real pkg per pkg. If the Z were to be 40k? It would most likely have high end Rays wheels, real sport tires with loads of grip , a BBK, LSD, and 3100 lbs.
So yeah get the FRS...
FR-S with half the Hp for $26,000 and and only 240lbs less.
Supercharger is about $5k and turbo about $6.7k
Labor and tuning doubles up cost. $13k.
26+13=$39k. Your probably around 400hp as well. You have no oil cooler, you're still on prius tires. Your suspension setup is not set for double the Hp. Proper Lsd needed plus you will need rims to accommodate your frilly tires. Figure another 15k.
Your do kit 180lbs
Your oil cooler and new res about 50lbs. So figure 230+2866lbs.about 3100lbs. Then your comparable light wheels, $2900-4000.

You will be paying about $48k-55k to have a comparable to superior car. But the stock turbo Z will be a better car for the money with better torque to boot. The stock turbos would make it cheaper to mod. And produce more power for the Same amount of cash as your FRS.

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TheBoomSpoon

you obviously forgot i own a Z and love the the Z but alas take yout rant and stick it. We'll see how it sll turns out won't we

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AAM 2.5 true dual exhaust
AAM de test pipes
Z1 headers
AAM 2.75 cold air intake r-line
motodyne m370 manifold
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swift lowering springs
quaife LSD
Z1 34 row oil cooler
Z1 brake rotor and pad upgrade
Tune via hills garage
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watson853

I'm with ya boomspoon!

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watson853

Nissan has recently said the IDx has a 50/50 chance of making it which is a big step back from there initial it will get made statement. I also agree that three sports cars in there line up is a nice thought but doesn't make a lot of business sence. Most manufactures don't turn much if any profit with sports cars.