trade 37k, 2010 base for 2013 Scion FR-s with 17k

Firebase99 · 03-14-2014, 05:29 AM

I troll those FRS forums quite a bit. The owners, well they are enthusiastic to say the least. Most think their car is Gods answer to 4 wheel transportation and nothing is better. I embellish but just a bit. Not that the Z is the end all either. There are much better cars out there. I just cant afford them, lol. Needless to say, I test drove a few, thrashed the hell out of them, drove one at Sebring. Are they fun to throw around? Yep? Is the Z fun to throw around? Is the Z faster by a huge margin in every possible way? Yep. Yep. With about $3000 price difference from a Z, that GT86 platform is woe-fully bad. The GT86 is a teenagers car, impossible to take serious. And if youre worried about gas..what, $30, $40-$50 a month difference, dont come looking at Z's. On a side note my wifes Volvo S60 destroys the FRS in a straight line, its hilarious.

Edit: Heres a quote from one of their members...tell me whats wrong.

"Isn't an E92 M3 more of a muscle car? The BRZ should be closer in characteristics to an E30 (a chassis experience)."

XiP · 03-14-2014, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

I troll those FRS forums quite a bit. The owners, well they are enthusiastic to say the least. Most think their car is Gods answer to 4 wheel transportation and nothing is better. I embellish but just a bit. Not that the Z is the end all either. There are much better cars out there. I just cant afford them, lol. Needless to say, I test drove a few, thrashed the hell out of them, drove one at Sebring. Are they fun to throw around? Yep? Is the Z fun to throw around? Is the Z faster by a huge margin in every possible way? Yep. Yep. With about $3000 price difference from a Z, that GT86 platform is woe-fully bad. The GT86 is a teenagers car, impossible to take serious. And if youre worried about gas..what, $30, $40-$50 a month difference, dont come looking at Z's. On a side note my wifes Volvo S60 destroys the FRS in a straight line, its hilarious.

Edit: Heres a quote from one of their members...tell me whats wrong.

"Isn't an E92 M3 more of a muscle car? The BRZ should be closer in characteristics to an E30 (a chassis experience)."

Chuck33079 · 03-14-2014, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

Edit: Heres a quote from one of their members...tell me whats wrong.

"Isn't an E92 M3 more of a muscle car? The BRZ should be closer in characteristics to an E30 (a chassis experience)."

Again, it's faster, so it obviously doesn't handle as well. What the FRS/BRZ guys are failing to realize is the fact that any car feels like it handles well when it's moving slowly.

Isn't this thread kind of doing the same thing as the one over there? I've got no problems with the FRS/BRZ. It's pushing automakers to make more lightwieght rwd cars. How is that a bad thing? Would I buy one? Sure, in a few years when you can get a solid used one for under $15k. It would be a fun little daily driver that gets good gas mileage and is fun to drive within the speed limit. Would I buy one new for $27k? Hell no.

Firebase99 · 03-14-2014, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Again, it's faster, so it obviously doesn't handle as well. What the FRS/BRZ guys are failing to realize is the fact that any car feels like it handles well when it's moving slowly.

Isn't this thread kind of doing the same thing as the one over there? I've got no problems with the FRS/BRZ. It's pushing automakers to make more lightwieght rwd cars. How is that a bad thing? Would I buy one? Sure, in a few years when you can get a solid used one for under $15k. It would be a fun little daily driver that gets good gas mileage and is fun to drive within the speed limit. Would I buy one new for $27k? Hell no.

And thats my whole point of contention, the price point is so damn far off for what you get. Its a slower, RWD Civic, nothing more.

Chuck33079 · 03-14-2014, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

And thats my whole point of contention, the price point is so damn far off for what you get. Its a slower, RWD Civic, nothing more.

Things just cost more these days. A Civic SI starts at $23k. So you're paying a $4k premium for rwd and the fact that, while not as nice as the Z the $27k BRZ is a hell of a lot nicer inside than a Civic. It also has a touch more power.

A Miata with similar equipment comes in around the same price, and it's down 30+hp.

In hindsight, the 1994 240sx (a car I think the BRZ is very close to in terms of features and driving dynamics, although it only had 155hp) cost $21,789 MSRP not adjusted for inflation and currency. I don't think the BRZ is as egregiously mispriced as most. I can see why someone would pay $27k for one, I just wouldn't do it.

Firebase99 · 03-14-2014, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Things just cost more these days. A Civic SI starts at $23k. So you're paying a $4k premium for rwd and the fact that, while not as nice as the Z the $27k BRZ is a hell of a lot nicer inside than a Civic. It also has a touch more power.

A Miata with similar equipment comes in around the same price, and it's down 30+hp.

In hindsight, the 1994 240sx (a car I think the BRZ is very close to in terms of features and driving dynamics, although it only had 155hp) cost $21,789 MSRP not adjusted for inflation and currency. I don't think the BRZ is as egregiously mispriced as most. I can see why someone would pay $27k for one, I just wouldn't do it.

Im busy at work and on a call and will google but doesnt the civic si have 200hp and the FRS like 197?

kenchan · 03-14-2014, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

And thats my whole point of contention, the price point is so damn far off for what you get. Its a slower, RWD Civic, nothing more.

yah, i hear toyota even dropped subaru due to the mis-calculated drivetrain cost on the brz/frs. was suppose to be like a max $25K otd car. some sort of nasty divorse going on in the background.

Firebase99 · 03-14-2014, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yah, i hear toyota even dropped subaru due to the mis-calculated drivetrain cost on the brz/frs. was suppose to be like a max $25K otd car. some sort of nasty divorse going on in the background.

Ive been hearing that buzz too over the 86 forum, didnt really read too much into it though.

jaedub · 03-14-2014, 08:57 AM

Can someone post this thread to the FR-S forum?

Firebase99 · 03-14-2014, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jaedub

Can someone post this thread to the FR-S forum?

OMG, theyre gonna get their panties in a bunch!!!! I would but ive been banned. Twice.

kenchan · 03-14-2014, 11:36 AM

Z's like your oldskool sports car.

Firebase99 · 03-14-2014, 01:42 PM

talk about a double take

Mr.Zbody · 03-14-2014, 03:54 PM

Actually Test drove a FR-S before test driving my Z and there is a world of difference. I wouldn't trade 370 for FR-S. IMO it reminded me of my other car I own (06 RSX-S) except just RWD meaning I didn't feel like it was a upgrade. The only things IMO I can give FR-S over Z is it has backseats (even if virtually unusable lol) and I do like how FR-S looks overall slightly more. But Again it's soooo underpowered. But that's just my 2 cents.

cooltoy · 03-14-2014, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Zbody

do like how FR-S looks overall slightly more.

Nothing an Amuse kit can't change.

Mr.Zbody · 03-14-2014, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cooltoy

Nothing an Amuse kit can't change.

This is true

03-14-2014, 05:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
Firebase99 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: fl Posts: 1,372 Drives: 14 3.8 Gen Coupe GT Rep Power: 14034	I troll those FRS forums quite a bit. The owners, well they are enthusiastic to say the least. Most think their car is Gods answer to 4 wheel transportation and nothing is better. I embellish but just a bit. Not that the Z is the end all either. There are much better cars out there. I just cant afford them, lol. Needless to say, I test drove a few, thrashed the hell out of them, drove one at Sebring. Are they fun to throw around? Yep? Is the Z fun to throw around? Is the Z faster by a huge margin in every possible way? Yep. Yep. With about $3000 price difference from a Z, that GT86 platform is woe-fully bad. The GT86 is a teenagers car, impossible to take serious. And if youre worried about gas..what, $30, $40-$50 a month difference, dont come looking at Z's. On a side note my wifes Volvo S60 destroys the FRS in a straight line, its hilarious. Edit: Heres a quote from one of their members...tell me whats wrong. "Isn't an E92 M3 more of a muscle car? The BRZ should be closer in characteristics to an E30 (a chassis experience)." Last edited by Firebase99; 03-14-2014 at 05:40 AM.

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