Now U Can Hate Me - 370z v 350z

Supergoji · 09-02-2009, 10:32 AM

the 350z has harder suspension then the 370z due to the fact that it needs it.
the 370z's chassis is much stiffer in all aspects and thus for the street you can soften the suspension up quite a bit.

put some stiffer springs on it and you'll feel the difference from 350z to 370z.

also the european models of japanese cars get softer suspenion than the usa and japanese.
japan has great quality smooth roads. the USA and UK do not.

370Zwolf · 09-02-2009, 04:16 PM

I hope there is no such thing as different factory suspension setups for national versions for a car with such relatively low production volume.
Anyway, if so, I hope Nissan is aware that cruising at >130mph for extended times is absolutely normal on German Autobahns - traffic permitting...
I haven´t had the opportunity to go highspeed during my test drive but I loved the way the Z performed on the winding rural road we took.
Would be highly disappointed to find out about poor highspeed handling once I get my own car...

SnakeBitten · 09-02-2009, 04:16 PM

You have to have some good suspension mods on your 350z to make this statement. And that would be apples to oranges comparison as the 370z is totally stock.

Full coils and aftermarket sways and lighter rims on your 350z should make it feel much more stable and controled than a bonestock 370z suspension. I cant see anyone driving both the 350z and 370z, both being stock, and coming away saying the 350z is better so yours has to be modded. If that is the case you should logically figure that into your experience before you decide the 370z isnt worth it based on your perception of its handling.

SMJane_Again · 09-02-2009, 07:53 PM

To be fair, Chubbs' findings during his test drive, particularly the less than optimal ride at speed, would not be the first unfavorable review from across the pond. In EVO magazine's 'Battle of the Sixes' feature in Issue 131, the 370z's high speed ride is written up as "...the suspension felt jittery at the rear, slightly aloof at the front. It never crashed, but the damping couldn't quite keep up. It would deal with one bump but would still be settling itself when the next one hit... the 370z can't keep up with the work-rate this road demands, the steering losing feel, the whole chassis becoming a touch vague and woolly." (Issue 131, 1st column, p.65). They dug the Synchro Rev Control, and then sum the 370z up with "...the Nissan is emphatically not Japanese, though, more... Australian... a great car to spend time with, real fun and a step on from the 350z- a bit more focus, a little less gearlever shake. It's more practical than the Cayman, too, and far more imaginative inside and out." (3rd column, p.65). So maybe it IS something with UK-spec 370z's, but if that's the case, then Chubbs' opinion can be no more discounted than anyone else who has had experience with the Z. So, to the dude who completely wrote off Chubb's experience and so cleverly told him to 'gtfo' with that adorable little emoticon, please realize that your experience isn't the be-all and end-all. Chubbs has been a member on this forum for a long time and isn't the type of poster to start s**t for the heck of it. Relax and remember that everyone's entitled to their opinion even if (and perhaps ESPECIALLY) it doesn't completely jive with yours.

S.

antennahead · 09-02-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SMJane_Again

To be fair, Chubbs' findings during his test drive, particularly the less than optimal ride at speed, would not be the first unfavorable review from across the pond. In EVO magazine's 'Battle of the Sixes' feature in Issue 131, the 370z's high speed ride is written up as "...the suspension felt jittery at the rear, slightly aloof at the front. It never crashed, but the damping couldn't quite keep up. It would deal with one bump but would still be settling itself when the next one hit... the 370z can't keep up with the work-rate this road demands, the steering losing feel, the whole chassis becoming a touch vague and woolly." (Issue 131, 1st column, p.65). They dug the Synchro Rev Control, and then sum the 370z up with "...the Nissan is emphatically not Japanese, though, more... Australian... a great car to spend time with, real fun and a step on from the 350z- a bit more focus, a little less gearlever shake. It's more practical than the Cayman, too, and far more imaginative inside and out." (3rd column, p.65). So maybe it IS something with UK-spec 370z's, but if that's the case, then Chubbs' opinion can be no more discounted than anyone else who has had experience with the Z. So, to the dude who completely wrote off Chubb's experience and so cleverly told him to 'gtfo' with that adorable little emoticon, please realize that your experience isn't the be-all and end-all. Chubbs has been a member on this forum for a long time and isn't the type of poster to start s**t for the heck of it. Relax and remember that everyone's entitiled to their opinion even if (and perhaps ESPECIALLY) it doesn't completely jive with yours.

S.

Chubbs is a good dude, and would never incite a riot...... well, maybe a small one

Seriously, I took his post as a request for "what gives guys? I really wasn't expecting this impression", not an open bashing of our beloved Z. I still stand by my earlier post, that driving the 370, if you own a 350, can be a very different experience, as the two cars, IMO, are a different "feel" on the road.

John

NIZMOZ · 09-02-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SnakeBitten

You have to have some good suspension mods on your 350z to make this statement. And that would be apples to oranges comparison as the 370z is totally stock.

Full coils and aftermarket sways and lighter rims on your 350z should make it feel much more stable and controled than a bonestock 370z suspension. I cant see anyone driving both the 350z and 370z, both being stock, and coming away saying the 350z is better so yours has to be modded. If that is the case you should logically figure that into your experience before you decide the 370z isnt worth it based on your perception of its handling.

Mine's not modded in the suspension area.

corbin09 · 09-03-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Mine's not modded in the suspension area.

yours is a nismo though.. i think he is talking about a base or touring.

Red370 · 09-03-2009, 10:05 AM

I dont think any Z34 is "soft" really, regardless of model. Compared to my G, this thing handles like a Kart racer. And this "body roll" you all speak of, isnt prevalent at all.

NIZMOZ · 09-03-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

I dont think any Z34 is "soft" really, regardless of model. Compared to my G, this thing handles like a Kart racer. And this "body roll" you all speak of, isnt prevalent at all.

G = Luxury Car, Z = Sports Car. Of course there is a big difference.

Red370 · 09-03-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

G = Luxury Car, Z = Sports Car. Of course there is a big difference.

My G35 had a Tein coilover suspension with an EDFC unit. At its stiffest setting, my 370 still feels more responsive, with less over/understeer. Weight might be playing a factor, but 0 chance a 350 handles better. Nissan designed this car with track use in mind, thats why the wheel base was shortened, weight dropped, stickier tires applied, SRM used, and suspension IMPROVED, yes, improved, not downgraded. With the Z34, Nissan wanted to move forward. Worse handling than previous generations would be taking a step back dont you think? It might not "feel" like it handles better, but from a scientific standpoint, and proven faster lap times, it does. And lets not get into the "well the 370 has 332hp", on an auto x track, neither car will reach speeds where 30bhp makes a difference, and with 2 ft/lbs more, not a factor. Performance wise, the 370 is an all around better car. PERIOD.

NIZMOZ · 09-03-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

My G35 had a Tein coilover suspension with an EDFC unit. At its stiffest setting, my 370 still feels more responsive, with less over/understeer. Weight might be playing a factor, but 0 chance a 350 handles better. Nissan designed this car with track use in mind, thats why the wheel base was shortened, weight dropped, stickier tires applied, SRM used, and suspension IMPROVED, yes, improved, not downgraded. With the Z34, Nissan wanted to move forward. Worse handling than previous generations would be taking a step back dont you think? It might not "feel" like it handles better, but from a scientific standpoint, and proven faster lap times, it does. And lets not get into the "well the 370 has 332hp", on an auto x track, neither car will reach speeds where 30bhp makes a difference, and with 2 ft/lbs more, not a factor. Performance wise, the 370 is an all around better car. PERIOD.

LOL. A G35 is not a 350Z or a 370Z. Period. You can not compare the two cars. I had a G35, and went to a 350z NISMO. The 350Z and the NISMO handled way better than my G35 did just because it's a shorter wheel base, and it's designed to handle better.

Nissan is trying to get a different crowd this time. They want to keep the ride nice for daily driving, but also usable on the track. And that is what they did. It did cause the handling to not be as good in responsiveness, but you have to give or take sometimes. Nissan did this on the power plant from the Z32 to the Z33. They went backwards as the 350z was slower than the 300zx TT.

And truthfully, I haven't seen any TRACK times published where both cars were on the track in the same conditions to compare. So you can't say one had faster times vs the other till this happens.

Performance wise on the track, the 370z IMHO doesn't FEEL to be better because it is less stable at higher speeds vs the 350z.

Lug · 09-03-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

LOL. A G35 is not a 350Z or a 370Z. Period. You can not compare the two cars. I had a G35, and went to a 350z NISMO. The 350Z and the NISMO handled way better than my G35 did just because it's a shorter wheel base, and it's designed to handle better.

Nissan is trying to get a different crowd this time. They want to keep the ride nice for daily driving, but also usable on the track. And that is what they did. It did cause the handling to not be as good in responsiveness, but you have to give or take sometimes. Nissan did this on the power plant from the Z32 to the Z33. They went backwards as the 350z was slower than the 300zx TT.

And truthfully, I haven't seen any TRACK times published where both cars were on the track in the same conditions to compare. So you can't say one had faster times vs the other till this happens.

Performance wise on the track, the 370z IMHO doesn't FEEL to be better because it is less stable at higher speeds vs the 350z.

That's because they never take the shipping spacers out of the coilovers on the NISMO 370Z.

....or so I've been told!

NIZMOZ · 09-03-2009, 02:48 PM

Yea. I know the car has a sticker on the windshield that says remove before delivering with a picture of the spring. LOL

jakoye · 09-03-2009, 04:04 PM

I simply don't understand how this can be if the 370z has a higher skidpad rating than the 350z??? Isn't that the ultimate test of handling ability? Yes, it's not occurring at 120 mph, but I don't see why things would be any different just cause you're going "a bit" faster.

I mean, a .97g figure on the skidpad at 69mph! That's quite impressive (from Edmunds):

"There's more than enough tire on the ground, as the 370 circles the skid pad at 0.97g in a steady drift that can be adjusted with the throttle. The shorter wheelbase promises better agility through the slalom, and the 69-mph run confirms it. Basically the 2009 Nissan 370Z fills out the performance envelope of last year's 2008 Nissan 350Z Nismo, but without the Nismo car's wound-up character."

The rest of the article is here: 2009 Nissan 370Z Full Test and Video on Inside Line

If I'm wrong on the value of the skidpad test, please correct me.

NIZMOZ · 09-03-2009, 06:34 PM

Skipad G = Tires, MPH = suspension.

The NISMO 350Z had a higher mph than the NISMO 370z in all the tests. Which means it's the car that can go faster through the slalom without issues. It handles better.

But 350z vs 370z, that I can not answer.

Due to little weight savings, shorter wheel base is mainly why it handles a little better, the suspension is softer however.

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Originally Posted by jakoye

I simply don't understand how this can be if the 370z has a higher skidpad rating than the 350z??? Isn't that the ultimate test of handling ability? Yes, it's not occurring at 120 mph, but I don't see why things would be any different just cause you're going "a bit" faster.

I mean, a .97g figure on the skidpad at 69mph! That's quite impressive (from Edmunds):

"There's more than enough tire on the ground, as the 370 circles the skid pad at 0.97g in a steady drift that can be adjusted with the throttle. The shorter wheelbase promises better agility through the slalom, and the 69-mph run confirms it. Basically the 2009 Nissan 370Z fills out the performance envelope of last year's 2008 Nissan 350Z Nismo, but without the Nismo car's wound-up character."

The rest of the article is here: 2009 Nissan 370Z Full Test and Video on Inside Line

If I'm wrong on the value of the skidpad test, please correct me.

09-02-2009, 04:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
370Zwolf Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Erding - City of Beer Age: 50 Posts: 77 Drives: 370Z Pack 6MT BP Rep Power: 17	I hope there is no such thing as different factory suspension setups for national versions for a car with such relatively low production volume. Anyway, if so, I hope Nissan is aware that cruising at >130mph for extended times is absolutely normal on German Autobahns - traffic permitting... I haven´t had the opportunity to go highspeed during my test drive but I loved the way the Z performed on the winding rural road we took. Would be highly disappointed to find out about poor highspeed handling once I get my own car... __________________ "For once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the face of the earth with your head turned skywards, For you will forever long to be up there again where you once have been." - Leonardo DaVinci

09-02-2009, 04:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
SnakeBitten Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Midwood Posts: 232 Drives: 05 DBZ M6 Rep Power: 18	You have to have some good suspension mods on your 350z to make this statement. And that would be apples to oranges comparison as the 370z is totally stock. Full coils and aftermarket sways and lighter rims on your 350z should make it feel much more stable and controled than a bonestock 370z suspension. I cant see anyone driving both the 350z and 370z, both being stock, and coming away saying the 350z is better so yours has to be modded. If that is the case you should logically figure that into your experience before you decide the 370z isnt worth it based on your perception of its handling. __________________

09-02-2009, 07:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
SMJane_Again Base Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: COS, CO Posts: 137 Drives: 18 Golf R Rep Power: 18	To be fair, Chubbs' findings during his test drive, particularly the less than optimal ride at speed, would not be the first unfavorable review from across the pond. In EVO magazine's 'Battle of the Sixes' feature in Issue 131, the 370z's high speed ride is written up as "...the suspension felt jittery at the rear, slightly aloof at the front. It never crashed, but the damping couldn't quite keep up. It would deal with one bump but would still be settling itself when the next one hit... the 370z can't keep up with the work-rate this road demands, the steering losing feel, the whole chassis becoming a touch vague and woolly." (Issue 131, 1st column, p.65). They dug the Synchro Rev Control, and then sum the 370z up with "...the Nissan is emphatically not Japanese, though, more... Australian... a great car to spend time with, real fun and a step on from the 350z- a bit more focus, a little less gearlever shake. It's more practical than the Cayman, too, and far more imaginative inside and out." (3rd column, p.65). So maybe it IS something with UK-spec 370z's, but if that's the case, then Chubbs' opinion can be no more discounted than anyone else who has had experience with the Z. So, to the dude who completely wrote off Chubb's experience and so cleverly told him to 'gtfo' with that adorable little emoticon, please realize that your experience isn't the be-all and end-all. Chubbs has been a member on this forum for a long time and isn't the type of poster to start s*t for the heck of it. Relax and remember that everyone's entitled to their opinion even if (and perhaps ESPECIALLY) it doesn't completely jive with yours. S. __________________ ~S.M. "Don't look back. Someone might be gaining on you." -Satchel Paige Last edited by SMJane_Again; 09-03-2009 at 12:27 AM.*

09-03-2009, 02:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
NIZMOZ Track Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 634 Drives: 07 NISMO 350Z SA M6 Rep Power: 492	Yea. I know the car has a sticker on the windshield that says remove before delivering with a picture of the spring. LOL __________________ SOLD: 2007 NISMO 350Z #0044 Silver Alloy New DD: 2010 Titan Pro4X CC

09-03-2009, 04:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
jakoye Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 257 Drives: 06 Mustang GT Rep Power: 18	I simply don't understand how this can be if the 370z has a higher skidpad rating than the 350z??? Isn't that the ultimate test of handling ability? Yes, it's not occurring at 120 mph, but I don't see why things would be any different just cause you're going "a bit" faster. I mean, a .97g figure on the skidpad at 69mph! That's quite impressive (from Edmunds): "There's more than enough tire on the ground, as the 370 circles the skid pad at 0.97g in a steady drift that can be adjusted with the throttle. The shorter wheelbase promises better agility through the slalom, and the 69-mph run confirms it. Basically the 2009 Nissan 370Z fills out the performance envelope of last year's 2008 Nissan 350Z Nismo, but without the Nismo car's wound-up character." The rest of the article is here: 2009 Nissan 370Z Full Test and Video on Inside Line If I'm wrong on the value of the skidpad test, please correct me. __________________ Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

09-02-2009, 10:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
Supergoji Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Westchester NY Age: 37 Posts: 311 Drives: Z32tt / Supra tt Rep Power: 258	the 350z has harder suspension then the 370z due to the fact that it needs it. the 370z's chassis is much stiffer in all aspects and thus for the street you can soften the suspension up quite a bit. put some stiffer springs on it and you'll feel the difference from 350z to 370z. also the european models of japanese cars get softer suspenion than the usa and japanese. japan has great quality smooth roads. the USA and UK do not.

09-03-2009, 10:05 AM	#8 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 298	I dont think any Z34 is "soft" really, regardless of model. Compared to my G, this thing handles like a Kart racer. And this "body roll" you all speak of, isnt prevalent at all.

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