Jan 19, 2014 article: next 370Z

Z_ealot · 01-26-2014, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Redglare

Seriously doubt they will meet it w/ out alienating a lot of the customers.

Look at some of the recently released cars, most had weight reduction goals - and almost all ended up gaining weight. Just to name a few, the c7 chief engineer said they originally wanted the new vette to be ~100lbs lighter, it ended up being a little heavier vs the outgoing model.

not really sure how reducing the Z's weight would alienate customers, but seeing as Nissan has been one of the few manufacturers to keep on goal as far as weight reductions in their vehicles i would not be skeptical about them actually reducing the weight of the Z as they have consistently been able to knock at least 100-200lbs or more off of all their vehicles that they have released lately

alphajam · 01-26-2014, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

As per OP's first post, Z designer Shiro Nakamura and product chief Andy Palmer are looking at a smaller Z with a turbo 4.

Most automobile manufacturers will use the same engine across a number of their cars (Nissan does it with the VQ) in order to keep costs in check. Here's my questions and I want to know what you folks think.

If Nissan did in fact come out with the smaller/lighter Z with a turbo 4, what other Nissan cars would it power?

the new 510

tjlazer · 01-25-2014, 07:18 PM

They need to call the new Z the 370Z Twin Turbo.

They did the same thing with the Z31 and Z32.

Cell · 01-25-2014, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tjlazer

They need to call the new Z the 370Z Twin Turbo.

They did the same thing with the Z31 and Z32.

They can always just eliminate the 370 and just call it the Z. No point going backwards to a 200Z.

Or call it the Z35.

Amuse370z · 01-27-2014, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cell

They can always just eliminate the 370 and just call it the Z. No point going backwards to a 200Z.

Or call it the Z35.

You mean Fairlady Z

LMBmikeZ · 01-27-2014, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tjlazer

They need to call the new Z the 370Z Twin Turbo.

They did the same thing with the Z31 and Z32.

Z31 and a Z32 are completely different cars but sure

also the Z32 was not called twinturbo unless it had TT's which not all of them did, there was a lot of NA Z32's

roplusbee · 01-25-2014, 10:04 PM

They could somewhat easily turbo the VQ. The issue would be the cooling capacities and space for said components. On the flip side, they would have to hold peoples hands on the maintenance plans and force the mechanics/salesman to actually train on the systems instead of following a script.

I for one wouldn't really care if the Z35 comes with a turbo 4-cylinder. I just wouldn't consider purchasing it. If they give us a 6-cylinder with some nifty stuff like direct injection and hybrid electric systems, I would consider it depending on the implementation. I am happy with my TT-Z now and would not want to give up the smile she puts on my face for something that I have to rework to get the same type of thing.

They could use this motor if they are indeed in league with Mercedes Benz; 2015 Mercedes-Benz E400 Twin-Turbo V-6

b15 · 01-26-2014, 09:20 AM

The only thing holding me back from a turbo 4 is the sound. For me, thats part of the sports car experience and I just dont like how 4cyl sound...especially with exhaust. I personally would like a downsized v6 turbo instead.

Rockhound · 01-26-2014, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by b15

...I personally would like a downsized v6 turbo instead.

I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but could this be accomplished with the VQ25HR?

b15 · 01-26-2014, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockhound

I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but could this be accomplished with the VQ25HR?

Nah. The VQ25 isn't that great of an engine. Highly unlikely but it would be cool to see a new 3.0L v6.

Eclipz · 01-26-2014, 07:15 PM

Nissan should leave the turbo 4 for the IDx and make the Z slightly lower displacement but with a supercharger, or a high revving V8

cautupwitdm · 01-27-2014, 05:06 AM

Nope don't want it like a genesis

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Jordo! · 01-27-2014, 05:10 AM

I seem to recall an article that noted Nissan wasn't really in a position to develop the Z as radically different from the Q50 -- I'm not expecting huge differences, but possibly the loss of 100 or so lbs.

As for motor, I could see them pulling a Hyundai and offering a half decent turbo 4 and for more $$$ a N/A V6.

I don't know about the Merc engines -- I thought those were all diesel, and so more oriented towards a Euro market.

Whatever they put in there, it will NOT be slower or handle worse than the current model, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

As to the FT-1, I kind of expect Toyota to tone it waaaaaay down and sticker it around 40 - 50K, making it a good bit more pricey than the Z35, but also placing it temptingly within the ball park, especially if it carries the legendary Supra badge and can get out of its own way.

cheshirecat · 01-27-2014, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

I don't know about the Merc engines -- I thought those were all diesel, and so more oriented towards a Euro market.

Negative- it's petrol.

On a different note, here's further proof that there's plenty of power to be had from a FI 4 cylinder:

Home > Releases
Jan. 27, 2014

Nissan Unveils Revolutionary Engine

1.5-liter three-cylinder turbo produces 400 horsepower from a 40kg engine
More power per kilo than a Formula 1 engine
New technical partnership with Total lubricants revealed

Nissan Unveils Revolutionary Engine to Complement Electric ZEOD RC Powerplant - Nissan Online Newsroom

Z_ealot · 01-27-2014, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cheshirecat

Negative- it's petrol.

On a different note, here's further proof that there's plenty of power to be had from a FI 4 cylinder:

Home > Releases
Jan. 27, 2014

Nissan Unveils Revolutionary Engine

1.5-liter three-cylinder turbo produces 400 horsepower from a 40kg engine
More power per kilo than a Formula 1 engine
New technical partnership with Total lubricants revealed

Nissan Unveils Revolutionary Engine to Complement Electric ZEOD RC Powerplant - Nissan Online Newsroom

Well that certainly takes the wind out of Mercedes recent accomplishments with their new turbo 4 cylinder lol

01-25-2014, 07:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
tjlazer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Tacoma Age: 53 Posts: 2,496 Drives: Z34, R35 Rep Power: 20	They need to call the new Z the 370Z Twin Turbo. They did the same thing with the Z31 and Z32. __________________ 2009 370Z Monterey Blue,Nismo Conversion,RE-11's, K&N Typhoon intakes,Blue Kickplates,Homelink,FI 18" CBE,ERZ HFCs,Hotchkis sways, Swift Spec-R, EVO-R Highwing, UPREV

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roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 23	They could somewhat easily turbo the VQ. The issue would be the cooling capacities and space for said components. On the flip side, they would have to hold peoples hands on the maintenance plans and force the mechanics/salesman to actually train on the systems instead of following a script. I for one wouldn't really care if the Z35 comes with a turbo 4-cylinder. I just wouldn't consider purchasing it. If they give us a 6-cylinder with some nifty stuff like direct injection and hybrid electric systems, I would consider it depending on the implementation. I am happy with my TT-Z now and would not want to give up the smile she puts on my face for something that I have to rework to get the same type of thing. They could use this motor if they are indeed in league with Mercedes Benz; 2015 Mercedes-Benz E400 Twin-Turbo V-6 __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL Last edited by roplusbee; 01-25-2014 at 10:13 PM. Reason: Added a possible TT 6-cylinder motor to debate

01-26-2014, 09:20 AM	#8 (permalink)
b15 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,229 Drives: 4drz Rep Power: 36572	The only thing holding me back from a turbo 4 is the sound. For me, thats part of the sports car experience and I just dont like how 4cyl sound...especially with exhaust. I personally would like a downsized v6 turbo instead. zguynate likes this.

01-27-2014, 05:06 AM	#12 (permalink)
cautupwitdm Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Utah Posts: 88 Drives: 10 SR M6 SPT Rep Power: 14	Nope don't want it like a genesis Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk __________________ GTHaus Meisterschaft GTS Exhaust (Round) \| CNT Racing HFC \| Stillen 19 Row Oil Cooler \| Carbotech Brake Pads \| Eibach Anti-Roll Sway Bars \| K&N Drop-In Filters \| UpRev \| Clutch Helper Spring \| Password JDM Shift Knob \| GTR Push Start Button

01-27-2014, 05:10 AM	#13 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 419	I seem to recall an article that noted Nissan wasn't really in a position to develop the Z as radically different from the Q50 -- I'm not expecting huge differences, but possibly the loss of 100 or so lbs. As for motor, I could see them pulling a Hyundai and offering a half decent turbo 4 and for more $$$ a N/A V6. I don't know about the Merc engines -- I thought those were all diesel, and so more oriented towards a Euro market. Whatever they put in there, it will NOT be slower or handle worse than the current model, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. As to the FT-1, I kind of expect Toyota to tone it waaaaaay down and sticker it around 40 - 50K, making it a good bit more pricey than the Z35, but also placing it temptingly within the ball park, especially if it carries the legendary Supra badge and can get out of its own way. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

01-26-2014, 07:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
Eclipz Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Tampa Posts: 360 Drives: 06 Eclipse GS Rep Power: 12	Nissan should leave the turbo 4 for the IDx and make the Z slightly lower displacement but with a supercharger, or a high revving V8

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