I spent Christmas with a Porsche owner.

wstar · 12-26-2013, 10:46 AM

For some Porsche owners money's no object, sure. That's who the care is made for

For many owners of e.g. the Carrera S, they can afford to daily-drive one, but they can't afford to track it regularly with all the extra bills (collision risks, general repairs, consumables, and track-oriented upgrades that even that car will eventually need at a certain level of involvement) it entails, which go *far* beyond the initial purchase cost of any car.

I guess part of my point of view now is that I've come around to the idea that there's little point in a car being any more than "sporty" on the street. Either it's a track car, or you're in it for comfort (and then it's a nice thing if it can handle ok and has some oomph in the pedal, but really who cares beyond that). Driving a Z as a track car costs in the same ballpark as driving a Carrera S as a "sporty commuter car", but the Carrera guy is having way less fun with his.

Waiz · 12-26-2013, 12:05 PM

Some of you need a reality check, my word I would rather have a GT-R or a Porsche any day of the week, and twice on Sundays!

OP where is a pic of that Porsche?

Crayon · 12-26-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

I guess part of my point of view now is that I've come around to the idea that there's little point in a car being any more than "sporty" on the street. Either it's a track car, or you're in it for comfort (and then it's a nice thing if it can handle ok and has some oomph in the pedal, but really who cares beyond that). Driving a Z as a track car costs in the same ballpark as driving a Carrera S as a "sporty commuter car", but the Carrera guy is having way less fun with his.

That really depends on how legal your driving habits are, though. I've known quite a bit of people who had no interest in saving the fast, dangerous stuff for the track. Of course, I've known quite a bit of them who have nearly killed themselves or others doing said activities.

Fountainhead · 12-26-2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

I think Porsches are incredible sportscars. They are the better car, objectively. The problem is just one of price:sport ratio. A lot of Porsche owners can't really afford to have fun in a Porsche (as in drive it like it's meant to be driven and track it regularly). If you've got the kind of bankroll to really afford abusing and tracking a Porsche, then yeah go for it. But if you can just barely afford to buy a nice Porsche but then you have to baby it and worry about it and never really push it.... yeah, you're gonna find yourself wishing you had a cheaper Z that you could afford to tear up the pavement with.

Wow, you just described my poor *** and my Z!

JWillis72 · 12-26-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz

Some of you need a reality check, my word I would rather have a GT-R or a Porsche any day of the week, and twice on Sundays!

OP where is a pic of that Porsche?

My bad, I didn't take one

jmin725 · 12-26-2013, 01:23 PM

hm...I'd rather have the GT-R over a camry.

Waiz · 12-26-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72

My bad, I didn't take one

You're doing it wrong

kenchan · 12-26-2013, 02:20 PM

i drive my Fit all winter long. id take a Z any day.

JWillis72 · 12-26-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz

You're doing it wrong

I was to busy drooling on it!

Elan · 12-26-2013, 04:07 PM

I'd never own a Porsche (Unless it was a 918/Carrera GT). Just like Top Gear, I too think they look all the same. I don't like that. I also think it's a midlife crisis-for business men car. Just my opinion. Don't call the firing squad!

bigdog1250 · 12-26-2013, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadgetech

A Porsche 4S is a great machine and one I'd gladly drive and never think about a 370Z, heck I'd rather have that Porsche over a GT-R. Must be fully loaded for $130k.

That's a lightly optioned 4s. A Regular 911 S can easily be in the $120-130k range. 4s are another $15-20k on top of that.

The cost of options there is ridiculous, but it is cool how many things you can change.

/Angelo350Z/ · 12-26-2013, 04:43 PM

I love Z cars, but I'd take a Carrera S over anything Nissan currently makes.

JWillis72 · 12-26-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog1250

The cost of options there is ridiculous, but it is cool how many things you can change.

I found the way you can change the exhaust very cool.

Shamu · 12-26-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72

I wasn't comparing the cars because I would pick his car any day of the week, I just found the conversation yesterday amusing from a Porsche owner!

Porsche owners are just as susceptible to poorly informed opinions as 370z owners.

i had a hopped up Toyota echo that laid waste to Porsches in PCA Autocross events should have seen faces on guys who were beaten by an $8k econo box. Don't think anyone thought they made poor decision buying a Porsche however.

Footloose301 · 12-27-2013, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72

His seats have more control switches on it than my car.

I've seen a yellow one from time to time around town....

12-26-2013, 10:46 AM	#31 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	For some Porsche owners money's no object, sure. That's who the care is made for For many owners of e.g. the Carrera S, they can afford to daily-drive one, but they can't afford to track it regularly with all the extra bills (collision risks, general repairs, consumables, and track-oriented upgrades that even that car will eventually need at a certain level of involvement) it entails, which go far beyond the initial purchase cost of any car. I guess part of my point of view now is that I've come around to the idea that there's little point in a car being any more than "sporty" on the street. Either it's a track car, or you're in it for comfort (and then it's a nice thing if it can handle ok and has some oomph in the pedal, but really who cares beyond that). Driving a Z as a track car costs in the same ballpark as driving a Carrera S as a "sporty commuter car", but the Carrera guy is having way less fun with his. fuct likes this. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

12-26-2013, 01:23 PM	#36 (permalink)
jmin725 Base Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: MD Posts: 52 Drives: 2013 370z Rep Power: 12	hm...I'd rather have the GT-R over a camry. __________________ 2013 Nissan 370z Touring w/ Sports M/T

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Elan Track Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Alpharetta, GA Posts: 906 Drives: Airplanes Rep Power: 15	I'd never own a Porsche (Unless it was a 918/Carrera GT). Just like Top Gear, I too think they look all the same. I don't like that. I also think it's a midlife crisis-for business men car. Just my opinion. Don't call the firing squad! __________________ 2009 370Z NISMO #477 \| AAM Competition Short Tails \| AAM Competition HFCs \| K&N Typhoon CAI \| Kenwood DPX300U \| Rockford Fosgate PRIME R300-4 \| Rockford Fosgate Punch P165 \| Rockford Fosgate Punch P300-12 \| Polk Audio db1001 \| 15% Tints \| GTR Start Button \|

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/Angelo350Z/ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Germany Posts: 2,230 Drives: Z34 \| MK7 \| F82 Rep Power: 3660	I love Z cars, but I'd take a Carrera S over anything Nissan currently makes. __________________ 2013 MB NISSAN 370Z SPORT

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