I spent Christmas with a Porsche owner.

0101 · 12-26-2013, 07:57 AM

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But if you can just barely afford to buy a nice Porsche but then you have to baby it and worry about it and never really push it.... yeah, you're gonna find yourself wishing you had a cheaper Z that you could afford to tear up the pavement with.

Great point.

Gadgetech · 12-26-2013, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar

But if you can just barely afford to buy a nice Porsche but then you have to baby it and worry about it and never really push it.... yeah, you're gonna find yourself wishing you had a cheaper Z that you could afford to tear up the pavement with.

Much shorter and eloquent way of making the point I took far to long to poorly explain.

JWillis72 · 12-26-2013, 09:51 AM

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I think Porsches are incredible sportscars. They are the better car, objectively. The problem is just one of price:sport ratio. A lot of Porsche owners can't really afford to have fun in a Porsche (as in drive it like it's meant to be driven and track it regularly). If you've got the kind of bankroll to really afford abusing and tracking a Porsche, then yeah go for it. But if you can just barely afford to buy a nice Porsche but then you have to baby it and worry about it and never really push it.... yeah, you're gonna find yourself wishing you had a cheaper Z that you could afford to tear up the pavement with.

He loves his car but I think this is real close to what he was thinking. He's bought 3 Porsche in 3 years so he could afford it but he can't seem to come to terms with how much he has to spend to get some track time with a car he has so much in already.

I think the big shock for him was that he didn't get as much extra performance as he thought for the extra $90K.

Shamu · 12-26-2013, 10:20 AM

I'm a life long Porsche guy and Z guy.. 370z is a nice economy priced sports car but in no way comes close to what new Porsches offer. For most new Porsche owners money really isn't an issue. They are buying a luxury sports car with a true racing pedigree. Bottom line if money is less of an argument the 991 slams the cheaply made Z car. 991 is much nicer car to live with day in and day out. Better performing safer with far more advanced features too.

A modded 370z is exactly that a modded Z. The car doesn't do well with higher levels of stock power unless you invest tons of money into suspension and drive train and even then ride quality ECT will be terrible compared to a Porsche and Porsche will still crush z in low traction situations.

Just appreciate z for what it is. Cheap economical fun. Lots of compromises made in z to keep costs low. On surface the car appears very capable but we all know flaws that come out after living with 370z for awhile. From over heating to ice brakes, to lack of rear end traction. List goes on.

GTR on the other hand is a real competitor to Porsches in my opinion but then it's over 100k now. I think a base 991 may be an easier car to live with than a GTR however.

JWillis72 · 12-26-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Just appreciate z for what it is. Cheap economical fun. Lots of compromises made in z to keep costs low. On surface the car appears very capable but we all know flaws that come out after living with 370z for awhile. From over heating to ice brakes, to lack of rear end traction. List goes on.

I wasn't comparing the cars because I would pick his car any day of the week, I just found the conversation yesterday amusing from a Porsche owner!

Shamu · 12-26-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72

I wasn't comparing the cars because I would pick his car any day of the week, I just found the conversation yesterday amusing from a Porsche owner!

Porsche owners are just as susceptible to poorly informed opinions as 370z owners.

i had a hopped up Toyota echo that laid waste to Porsches in PCA Autocross events should have seen faces on guys who were beaten by an $8k econo box. Don't think anyone thought they made poor decision buying a Porsche however.

Fountainhead · 12-26-2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

I think Porsches are incredible sportscars. They are the better car, objectively. The problem is just one of price:sport ratio. A lot of Porsche owners can't really afford to have fun in a Porsche (as in drive it like it's meant to be driven and track it regularly). If you've got the kind of bankroll to really afford abusing and tracking a Porsche, then yeah go for it. But if you can just barely afford to buy a nice Porsche but then you have to baby it and worry about it and never really push it.... yeah, you're gonna find yourself wishing you had a cheaper Z that you could afford to tear up the pavement with.

Wow, you just described my poor *** and my Z!

winnre · 12-26-2013, 10:43 AM

But I have a Camry, and it appears very similar! Actually it looks more like a Camaro.

Got_Z · 12-26-2013, 10:44 AM

The 370z is an awesome car... But I can't hate on Porsche. I LOVE Porsches....

-M-

wstar · 12-26-2013, 10:46 AM

For some Porsche owners money's no object, sure. That's who the care is made for

For many owners of e.g. the Carrera S, they can afford to daily-drive one, but they can't afford to track it regularly with all the extra bills (collision risks, general repairs, consumables, and track-oriented upgrades that even that car will eventually need at a certain level of involvement) it entails, which go *far* beyond the initial purchase cost of any car.

I guess part of my point of view now is that I've come around to the idea that there's little point in a car being any more than "sporty" on the street. Either it's a track car, or you're in it for comfort (and then it's a nice thing if it can handle ok and has some oomph in the pedal, but really who cares beyond that). Driving a Z as a track car costs in the same ballpark as driving a Carrera S as a "sporty commuter car", but the Carrera guy is having way less fun with his.

Crayon · 12-26-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

I guess part of my point of view now is that I've come around to the idea that there's little point in a car being any more than "sporty" on the street. Either it's a track car, or you're in it for comfort (and then it's a nice thing if it can handle ok and has some oomph in the pedal, but really who cares beyond that). Driving a Z as a track car costs in the same ballpark as driving a Carrera S as a "sporty commuter car", but the Carrera guy is having way less fun with his.

That really depends on how legal your driving habits are, though. I've known quite a bit of people who had no interest in saving the fast, dangerous stuff for the track. Of course, I've known quite a bit of them who have nearly killed themselves or others doing said activities.

Waiz · 12-26-2013, 12:05 PM

Some of you need a reality check, my word I would rather have a GT-R or a Porsche any day of the week, and twice on Sundays!

OP where is a pic of that Porsche?

JWillis72 · 12-26-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz

Some of you need a reality check, my word I would rather have a GT-R or a Porsche any day of the week, and twice on Sundays!

OP where is a pic of that Porsche?

My bad, I didn't take one

Waiz · 12-26-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72

My bad, I didn't take one

You're doing it wrong

JWillis72 · 12-26-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz

You're doing it wrong

I was to busy drooling on it!

12-26-2013, 10:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
Shamu A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,059 Drives: 370Z Racecar Rep Power: 21	I'm a life long Porsche guy and Z guy.. 370z is a nice economy priced sports car but in no way comes close to what new Porsches offer. For most new Porsche owners money really isn't an issue. They are buying a luxury sports car with a true racing pedigree. Bottom line if money is less of an argument the 991 slams the cheaply made Z car. 991 is much nicer car to live with day in and day out. Better performing safer with far more advanced features too. A modded 370z is exactly that a modded Z. The car doesn't do well with higher levels of stock power unless you invest tons of money into suspension and drive train and even then ride quality ECT will be terrible compared to a Porsche and Porsche will still crush z in low traction situations. Just appreciate z for what it is. Cheap economical fun. Lots of compromises made in z to keep costs low. On surface the car appears very capable but we all know flaws that come out after living with 370z for awhile. From over heating to ice brakes, to lack of rear end traction. List goes on. GTR on the other hand is a real competitor to Porsches in my opinion but then it's over 100k now. I think a base 991 may be an easier car to live with than a GTR however. __________________ Grant

12-26-2013, 10:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
Got_Z Track Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Dallas Posts: 582 Drives: 11 Sport/Touring 6MT Rep Power: 14	The 370z is an awesome car... But I can't hate on Porsche. I LOVE Porsches.... -M- __________________ Insta: www.instagram.com/mb4393/

12-26-2013, 10:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3596	For some Porsche owners money's no object, sure. That's who the care is made for For many owners of e.g. the Carrera S, they can afford to daily-drive one, but they can't afford to track it regularly with all the extra bills (collision risks, general repairs, consumables, and track-oriented upgrades that even that car will eventually need at a certain level of involvement) it entails, which go far beyond the initial purchase cost of any car. I guess part of my point of view now is that I've come around to the idea that there's little point in a car being any more than "sporty" on the street. Either it's a track car, or you're in it for comfort (and then it's a nice thing if it can handle ok and has some oomph in the pedal, but really who cares beyond that). Driving a Z as a track car costs in the same ballpark as driving a Carrera S as a "sporty commuter car", but the Carrera guy is having way less fun with his. fuct likes this. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

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