almost bought a 370z today

m4a1mustang · 06-25-2013, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Haboob

I'll bring the paddles.

Paddles are fun.

Chuck33079 · 06-25-2013, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lt_370z

I just bought my Z and I am reading this thread and hearing everybody talk about this helper spring....Can anybody give me some insight on how much it costs to get removed? And do I just go to Nissan to remove it?

If you try to DIY and can't do it, I'd do it for you for a six pack.

m4a1mustang · 06-25-2013, 11:17 AM

The key is not to struggle. Just let it happen.

Really, just pull the retaining clip with needle nose pliers. Then, push the clutch pedal back and use your flat head screwdriver to pry the pin out. Once you get it started you should be able to pull it all the way out, then carefully remove the assembly.

Verify you like the pedal feel without the spring, then remove the top part of the assembly (so the spring guide isn't dangling).

lt_370z · 06-25-2013, 11:38 AM

Thanks guys! Hey chuck ill let you know!

Vaughanabe13 · 06-25-2013, 11:42 AM

I'm not sure how this thread got derailed to talk about the clutch helper spring, but the OP was asking about jerkiness from 1 to 2, which is unrelated to the helper spring issue (which to me, is all about better clutch feel in 1st when starting from a stop).

The jerkiness from 1-2 is because he's probably trying to shift fast at lower RPM. In order not to be jerky, you need to shift slower from 1-2 when your RPM are low ( <3K or so). Above 4K and you can shift as fast as you want with no jerkiness. Basically, drive slow -> shift slow, drive fast -> shift fast.

Chuck33079 · 06-25-2013, 11:46 AM

It's also easier to modulate the clutch switching gears with the spring out. You can feel everything a little better.

m4a1mustang · 06-25-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Vaughanabe13

I'm not sure how this thread got derailed to talk about the clutch helper spring, but the OP was asking about jerkiness from 1 to 2, which is unrelated to the helper spring issue (which to me, is all about better clutch feel in 1st when starting from a stop).

The jerkiness from 1-2 is because he's probably trying to shift fast at lower RPM. In order not to be jerky, you need to shift slower from 1-2 when your RPM are low ( <3K or so). Above 4K and you can shift as fast as you want with no jerkiness. Basically, drive slow -> shift slow, drive fast -> shift fast.

Actually feeling the clutch helps with shifts. 1-2 can be jerky if you are letting the clutch out too quickly.

m4a1mustang · 06-25-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

It's also easier to modulate the clutch switching gears with the spring out. You can feel everything a little better.

More feel = better operation.

Haboob · 06-25-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

More feel = better operation.

Barely-There makes it feel more natural.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-25-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Vaughanabe13

I'm not sure how this thread got derailed to talk about the clutch helper spring, but the OP was asking about jerkiness from 1 to 2, which is unrelated to the helper spring issue (which to me, is all about better clutch feel in 1st when starting from a stop).

The jerkiness from 1-2 is because he's probably trying to shift fast at lower RPM. In order not to be jerky, you need to shift slower from 1-2 when your RPM are low ( <3K or so). Above 4K and you can shift as fast as you want with no jerkiness. Basically, drive slow -> shift slow, drive fast -> shift fast.

What i don't get is... If your explanation is the solution to jerking sensation when shifting? Then this is the most pointless issue on the forum. Any car shifted at high RPM has torque jerk. Why is this being singled out on the Z??? Clutch feel is definitely more of a performance issue vs so called "jerky-shifting"

Haboob · 06-25-2013, 11:55 AM

Just jerk it.

m4a1mustang · 06-25-2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

What i don't get is... If your explanation is the solution to jerking sensation when shifting? Then this is the most pointless issue on the forum. Any car shifted at high RPM has torque jerk. Why is this being singled out on the Z??? Clutch feel is definitely more of a performance issue vs so called "jerky-shifting"

Jerk is a result of user error. If the combination of clutch and lever operation is not smooth, you will jerk. You basically become a jerker if you can't do it smooth. 1-2, jerkin' all the time.

Removal of the helper spring allows one to be smooth, which helps in preventing jerk.

Not saying you can't shift jerk free with the OEM spring, but it's much easier and more consistent without it.

m4a1mustang · 06-25-2013, 12:00 PM

enkei2k · 06-25-2013, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Jerk is a result of user error. If the combination of clutch and lever operation is not smooth, you will jerk. You basically become a jerker if you can't do it smooth. 1-2, jerkin' all the time.

Removal of the helper spring allows one to be smooth, which helps in preventing jerk.

Not saying you can't shift jerk free with the OEM spring, but it's much easier and more consistent without it.

So is it possible the user is a jerk? I mean...

Maybe it's just me, but I kinda like the jerky 1-2 feeling.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-25-2013, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Jerk is a result of user error. If the combination of clutch and lever operation is not smooth, you will jerk. You basically become a jerker if you can't do it smooth. 1-2, jerkin' all the time.

Removal of the helper spring allows one to be smooth, which helps in preventing jerk.

Not saying you can't shift jerk free with the OEM spring, but it's much easier and more consistent without it.

Without proper clutch application you can jerk the car. But i didn't find the Z to have excessive jerkiness there. Just a very mild one. I jerk more when shifting from high up in the ranges over low 2500 rpm shifts.

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Originally Posted by enkei2k

So is it possible the user is a jerk? I mean...

Maybe it's just me, but I kinda like the jerky 1-2 feeling.

I rather jerk the car when driving aggressive. Moar fun!!!!!

06-25-2013, 11:17 AM	#63 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	The key is not to struggle. Just let it happen. Really, just pull the retaining clip with needle nose pliers. Then, push the clutch pedal back and use your flat head screwdriver to pry the pin out. Once you get it started you should be able to pull it all the way out, then carefully remove the assembly. Verify you like the pedal feel without the spring, then remove the top part of the assembly (so the spring guide isn't dangling). Haboob likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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06-25-2013, 11:42 AM	#65 (permalink)
Vaughanabe13 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Iowa Posts: 387 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z M6 Rep Power: 13	I'm not sure how this thread got derailed to talk about the clutch helper spring, but the OP was asking about jerkiness from 1 to 2, which is unrelated to the helper spring issue (which to me, is all about better clutch feel in 1st when starting from a stop). The jerkiness from 1-2 is because he's probably trying to shift fast at lower RPM. In order not to be jerky, you need to shift slower from 1-2 when your RPM are low ( <3K or so). Above 4K and you can shift as fast as you want with no jerkiness. Basically, drive slow -> shift slow, drive fast -> shift fast. __________________ 2009 Nissan 370Z Touring, w/sport, 6MT, chicane yellow/black.

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Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	It's also easier to modulate the clutch switching gears with the spring out. You can feel everything a little better. m4a1mustang likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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Haboob A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Surface of the sun. Posts: 13,159 Drives: '18 GTI Autobahn DSG Rep Power: 1386	Just jerk it. m4a1mustang, JARblue and DEpointfive0 like this.

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