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m4a1mustang 06-25-2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2378581)
:iagree:

I'll bring the paddles.

Paddles are fun. :hello:

Chuck33079 06-25-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lt_370z (Post 2378563)
I just bought my Z and I am reading this thread and hearing everybody talk about this helper spring....Can anybody give me some insight on how much it costs to get removed? And do I just go to Nissan to remove it?

If you try to DIY and can't do it, I'd do it for you for a six pack.

m4a1mustang 06-25-2013 11:17 AM

The key is not to struggle. Just let it happen.

:icon14:

Really, just pull the retaining clip with needle nose pliers. Then, push the clutch pedal back and use your flat head screwdriver to pry the pin out. Once you get it started you should be able to pull it all the way out, then carefully remove the assembly.

Verify you like the pedal feel without the spring, then remove the top part of the assembly (so the spring guide isn't dangling).

lt_370z 06-25-2013 11:38 AM

Thanks guys! Hey chuck ill let you know!

Vaughanabe13 06-25-2013 11:42 AM

I'm not sure how this thread got derailed to talk about the clutch helper spring, but the OP was asking about jerkiness from 1 to 2, which is unrelated to the helper spring issue (which to me, is all about better clutch feel in 1st when starting from a stop).

The jerkiness from 1-2 is because he's probably trying to shift fast at lower RPM. In order not to be jerky, you need to shift slower from 1-2 when your RPM are low ( <3K or so). Above 4K and you can shift as fast as you want with no jerkiness. Basically, drive slow -> shift slow, drive fast -> shift fast.

Chuck33079 06-25-2013 11:46 AM

It's also easier to modulate the clutch switching gears with the spring out. You can feel everything a little better.

m4a1mustang 06-25-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Vaughanabe13 (Post 2378647)
I'm not sure how this thread got derailed to talk about the clutch helper spring, but the OP was asking about jerkiness from 1 to 2, which is unrelated to the helper spring issue (which to me, is all about better clutch feel in 1st when starting from a stop).

The jerkiness from 1-2 is because he's probably trying to shift fast at lower RPM. In order not to be jerky, you need to shift slower from 1-2 when your RPM are low ( <3K or so). Above 4K and you can shift as fast as you want with no jerkiness. Basically, drive slow -> shift slow, drive fast -> shift fast.

Actually feeling the clutch helps with shifts. 1-2 can be jerky if you are letting the clutch out too quickly.

m4a1mustang 06-25-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2378656)
It's also easier to modulate the clutch switching gears with the spring out. You can feel everything a little better.

:iagree:

More feel = better operation.

Haboob 06-25-2013 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2378659)
:iagree:

More feel = better operation.

:iagree:

Barely-There makes it feel more natural.

UNKNOWN_370 06-25-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Vaughanabe13 (Post 2378647)
I'm not sure how this thread got derailed to talk about the clutch helper spring, but the OP was asking about jerkiness from 1 to 2, which is unrelated to the helper spring issue (which to me, is all about better clutch feel in 1st when starting from a stop).

The jerkiness from 1-2 is because he's probably trying to shift fast at lower RPM. In order not to be jerky, you need to shift slower from 1-2 when your RPM are low ( <3K or so). Above 4K and you can shift as fast as you want with no jerkiness. Basically, drive slow -> shift slow, drive fast -> shift fast.

What i don't get is... If your explanation is the solution to jerking sensation when shifting? Then this is the most pointless issue on the forum. Any car shifted at high RPM has torque jerk. Why is this being singled out on the Z??? Clutch feel is definitely more of a performance issue vs so called "jerky-shifting"

Haboob 06-25-2013 11:55 AM

Just jerk it.

:ugh:

m4a1mustang 06-25-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2378673)
What i don't get is... If your explanation is the solution to jerking sensation when shifting? Then this is the most pointless issue on the forum. Any car shifted at high RPM has torque jerk. Why is this being singled out on the Z??? Clutch feel is definitely more of a performance issue vs so called "jerky-shifting"

Jerk is a result of user error. If the combination of clutch and lever operation is not smooth, you will jerk. You basically become a jerker if you can't do it smooth. 1-2, jerkin' all the time.

Removal of the helper spring allows one to be smooth, which helps in preventing jerk.

Not saying you can't shift jerk free with the OEM spring, but it's much easier and more consistent without it.

m4a1mustang 06-25-2013 12:00 PM

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enkei2k 06-25-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2378696)
Jerk is a result of user error. If the combination of clutch and lever operation is not smooth, you will jerk. You basically become a jerker if you can't do it smooth. 1-2, jerkin' all the time.

Removal of the helper spring allows one to be smooth, which helps in preventing jerk.

Not saying you can't shift jerk free with the OEM spring, but it's much easier and more consistent without it.

So is it possible the user is a jerk? I mean...:wtf2:
Maybe it's just me, but I kinda like the jerky 1-2 feeling.

UNKNOWN_370 06-25-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2378696)
Jerk is a result of user error. If the combination of clutch and lever operation is not smooth, you will jerk. You basically become a jerker if you can't do it smooth. 1-2, jerkin' all the time.

Removal of the helper spring allows one to be smooth, which helps in preventing jerk.

Not saying you can't shift jerk free with the OEM spring, but it's much easier and more consistent without it.

Without proper clutch application you can jerk the car. But i didn't find the Z to have excessive jerkiness there. Just a very mild one. I jerk more when shifting from high up in the ranges over low 2500 rpm shifts.

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Originally Posted by enkei2k (Post 2378704)
So is it possible the user is a jerk? I mean...:wtf2:
Maybe it's just me, but I kinda like the jerky 1-2 feeling.

:iagree: I rather jerk the car when driving aggressive. Moar fun!!!!!


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