Nismo or boss ?

Caustic · 05-28-2013, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

...but to pretend the car isn't capable because of it is laughable.

No one is claiming the Mustang isn't capable because it doesn't have IRS. My post was to point out the claim that a live axle is nearly as good as IRS is laughable. You can certainly say the Mustang is less capable because of it.

I didn't go into all the other benefits that IRS gets over a live axle because it was unnecessary to illustrate the point.

m4a1mustang · 05-28-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Caustic

No one is claiming the Mustang isn't capable because it doesn't have IRS. My post was to point out the claim that a live axle is nearly as good as IRS is laughable.

I didn't go into all the other benefits that IRS gets over a live axle because it was unnecessary to illustrate the point.

If you hang around long enough, people do. That's the only reason we bring it up.

I think we all know that a perfectly designed IRS system will be far better than a perfectly designed live axle... but show me a perfectly designed IRS in this price range.

DLSTR · 05-28-2013, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Caustic

The whole live axle vs IRS is a ridiculous debate. Billy Johnson is right from a technical standpoint. But he is also speaking from a professional standpoint, which most of are not.

The main difference between a live (stick, solid, or whatever you want to call it) vs IRS is grip and consistency. When a wheel connected to a live axle hits a bump, both wheels are affected in terrible ways. It completely throws off the handling to all but the best of drivers.

IRS is a benefit when a wheel hits a bump, the opposing wheel is still settled, the handling characteristics on the opposing wheel haven't changed. This creates consistency and predictability for handling in the majority of conditions.

The point being is that when you see Mustangs closing in on M3 lap times, everyone points it out as the Mustang being as fast and as good as the M3. But the reality is these those lap times are close because professional drivers have the ability to correct for the Mustangs weaknesses.

You put weekend warrior track day drivers in those two cars, the driver in the M3 will consistently outperform the Mustang driver by a large amount. The Mustang driver will have their hands full every time they clip an apex and roll over rumble strips.

Live axle technology is good for just one thing, price. If there were little difference between live and IRS, why does every high end race car have IRS?

Well said. Test drivers make the Mustang's look much better than they are. Applies to any street car of course. That being said the suspension and lack of quality overall keep me out of US performance cars. I had 2 Corvette's and a Z28 earlier in life. Rattle traps and lack of quality. No thanks. Performance sure. Life and driving are much more than that.

Uneven pavement at speed in a turn will bring a Mustang to life in a bad way catching many out!

FPenvy · 05-28-2013, 11:15 AM

wow another one of these threads? pure troll bait.

IBTL

m4a1mustang · 05-28-2013, 11:17 AM

Damnit Red pretty much said what I wanted to say.

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Damnit Red pretty much said what I wanted to say.

XiP · 05-28-2013, 11:29 AM

go test drive both and buy what you like

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by XiP

go test drive both and buy what you like

This is surprisingly almost always the right answer. The only exception is if you care about what other people think more than you do about what you drive.

Both cars are great in their own ways, and feel completely different. Get behind the wheel and see what feels right.

Mecinoid · 05-28-2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by XiP

go test drive both and buy what you like

However, some times they won't let you go to the track or beat up on their car during a test drive. So, a test drive on the street gives me little information about how the car will really perform.

SS_Firehawk · 05-28-2013, 11:47 AM

What I was eluding to with posting that video is the Nismo can be plenty competitive to a Boss with just a few changes. We can all tell that Boss runs away from it every time there is a stretch. OP has a Nismo already, it's plenty capable. I think the Boss 302's are amazing cars, just look at that thing pull! I say keep it, boost it if it's his thing and wants more power. If he's still not satisfied, it's his decision and money to do what he pleases.

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

What I was eluding to with posting that video is the Nismo can be plenty competitive to a Boss with just a few changes.

you don't have to run away

WRT the video, there's a lot more to that than just the car modifications.

SS_Firehawk · 05-28-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

you don't have to run away

WRT the video, there's a lot more to that than just the car modifications.

Agreed, driver has stones, boulders perhaps.

m4a1mustang · 05-28-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

Agreed, driver has stones, boulders perhaps.

He also came out to our BBQ last summer.

SS_Firehawk · 05-28-2013, 12:30 PM

Maybe I can finally keep myself stateside long enough to actually get out to some of these events for once

But keeping it on topic, My Pops standard 11' GT premium (Track Pack) with some light mods was in a different league than my car. Well, before the superchargers. It was just brutal. I stomped the pedal and the torque was just merciless to the 9.5" Pirelli's

m4a1mustang · 05-28-2013, 12:33 PM

Yeah mine was a monster with its mods. Good fun!

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SS_Firehawk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7336	What I was eluding to with posting that video is the Nismo can be plenty competitive to a Boss with just a few changes. We can all tell that Boss runs away from it every time there is a stretch. OP has a Nismo already, it's plenty capable. I think the Boss 302's are amazing cars, just look at that thing pull! I say keep it, boost it if it's his thing and wants more power. If he's still not satisfied, it's his decision and money to do what he pleases. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

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SS_Firehawk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7336	Maybe I can finally keep myself stateside long enough to actually get out to some of these events for once But keeping it on topic, My Pops standard 11' GT premium (Track Pack) with some light mods was in a different league than my car. Well, before the superchargers. It was just brutal. I stomped the pedal and the torque was just merciless to the 9.5" Pirelli's m4a1mustang likes this. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

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