Diamond in the rough.

Mt Tam I am · 05-27-2013, 12:34 PM

If it makes us feel better, an M3 (E36?) owner told me he needed an extra fuel pump too, to fix fuel starvation.

On the streets it is tougher to have happen as going left sends the fuel sloshing back. I don't face many long right handers.

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

If it makes us feel better, an M3 (E36?) owner told me he needed an extra fuel pump too, to fix fuel starvation.

On the streets it is tougher to have happen as going left sends the fuel sloshing back. I don't face many long right handers.

The e36 is the generation that ended in 99.

There are other cars that have the same issue, the s2000 among them, but it's particularly bad in the Z.

Chuck33079 · 05-28-2013, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SurfDog

a car supposed to be track ready from the box...

I wasn't aware that the car was supposed to be track ready out of the box. Has it ever been marketed as such?

Leuz · 05-27-2013, 12:46 PM

I have a 2013 and honestly I agree with most of your statements but the road noise. I haven't really heard any rattles nor noise while driving. And I drive in CA where roads blow.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-28-2013, 04:14 PM

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cossie1600 · 05-28-2013, 10:54 PM

Yes package 576

Just kidding

Ubetit · 05-29-2013, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SurfDog

7. Horrible road noise.

Don't care because........ roadster

Nismodean · 10-09-2013, 04:16 PM

I've had the fuel starve when at 1/2 tank. I thought I didn't have that issue until I took a sweeping on ramp to the highway in a "highly spirited" fashion then the engine just died. I was mashing the pedal "WTF'ing" for about 5 seconds when she just came back to life and continued on. I guess I incidentally clutch popped the engine back on haha.

What is this extra weight you speak of in the hatch? I don't recall ever hearing about this. Her hatch doesn't seem overly burdensome but then again I've never opened anyone else's hatch. Or maybe I just like my women with heavy rear ends!

Arrvaxx · 10-09-2013, 04:30 PM

I'm sorry but I don't agree that it is 'in the rough'. A diamond in the rough would be a car that consitantly appears in the lower half of comparative reviews. The Z, -over all- (please don't pull one or two bad comparatives), lands in the middle of the pack. Nissan made compromises to keep the car's cost down and some of them didn't pan out. Just be happy we -can- turn them in to true mini-Godzillas. You could be stuck with a 2.5L that already has a turbo in it and that won't benefit from coil overs or what ever.

There are cars that can out accelerate it, that can out corner it, that can out brake it, that can out anything it. But over all it is a solid car and -very- reliable. That to me describes a finished diamond. Granted...the grade may not have an 'Ideal' across the board but it is a finished diamond.

Z owners are, IMHO, -way- too hard on the car. I think it comes from very high expectations that are a result of a love of the brand; a love that comes from a history of meeting high expectations.

I'll take a steeering lock issue any day over trannys that fail every 10k miles or engines whos internals fail after 40k.

ElVee · 10-09-2013, 04:39 PM

I'm of an opinion that the road noise issue has slowly and quietly been addressed over the years by Nissan. I don't really hear this complaint from newer models, and my own newer model is perfectly fine for a sports car.

ElVee · 10-09-2013, 04:42 PM

By the by, something that could take this thread to a new place would be maybe linking each issue/fix from the first post to a key thread or two about the topic.

SurfDog · 10-17-2013, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElVee

By the by, something that could take this thread to a new place would be maybe linking each issue/fix from the first post to a key thread or two about the topic.

wow! you demand a lot from me!

but hmmm let me hit the big ones!

1.Steering lock fuse pull. Wow what a great DIY mod! 20 minutes because I'm an idiot and dropped a leather-man tool down into my bay
Steering lock problem solved (for real)

2. no oil cooler
- unforgivable defect but easily retrofitted. (I used stillen 25 row kit)
Oil Temperatures ?

3. Horrible clutch feel on 6mt
- many solutions from removing the stupid assist spring to a full clutch replace. I went full on with a JWT, but do we all agree the OEM clutch sucks donkey balls and should be considered a must fix or is it just me???
RJM Clutch Pedal System for 370Z - Fully Customizable Clutch Feel & Stroke
Clutch pedal too soft/no feel? Remove the helper spring!

4.Failure prone CSC.
- I did mine when puling apart tyranny to put in JWT. Is it worth swapping before failure?
http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...-failures.html

5. Massive 25 lb Flywheel.
-Is this a poor designby Nissan? I think so!!! I put in a much lighter JWT flywheel and did not notice increase in vibration, but did notice much better throttle response.

Jim Wolf Technology Clutch/Flywheel Combo w/ Free Accessories!! FREE 3-DAY SHIPPING!

6. TUNE!
- why don't they all come engine tuned to NISMO specs. Why do I have to put it up on a dyno (4-600 bucks) to get the same tune a nismo has stock??? That's just stupid marketing bs IMHO. It would cost Nissan nothing to flash all EDCs with the nismo data no?

I don"t have a DIY link but just... well get it done!

7. Horrible road noise.
-From day one it has been criticized for road noise by everyone from R&T to my wife. I know sound-proffing is heavy (for you track bubbas), but a little engineering effort to help buffer the howl is definitely needed if you DD (I put some dynamat in key spots, but it still screams on some surfaces)
Cabin noise

8. The "sport" VLSD. (let alone the base "open" one!!)
-this thing is terrible. A real locking 1.5 or full 2 way (or at least a helical gear type) is a must unless you only bought the car for looks in which case this thread is wasted on you.
LSD on Sport Package

9. hatch springs
-I mean come ON Nissan
DIY: Weight reduction/Fix hatch not opening issue
and
!!For 370Z Owners with the Stuck Hatch Release Issue!!

10. unnecessary Hatch weight
- so stupid that some have and some dont, even the factory kinda addresses this by only putting them in like half the cars.
DIY: Weight reduction/Fix hatch not opening issue

Whew and that was just a super quick search of the issues I mentioned

let me reiterate:

I LOVE MY 370Z!!!!!!

stop hating on me! I just feel like there was a lot to fix to make it go from troublesome and unpolished to amazing

Most of these fixes are almost free. Some are not

Example:
Right hand fuel starvation(Fuel Starvation Control Product) Which only effects those of us who drive this car either on the track, or like the kick butt sports car it was born to be, is a THOUSAND bucks to fix! I call that a bit "in the rough", but don't hate on me, mine is fixed, and I love it!

alcheng · 10-18-2013, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SurfDog

wow! you demand a lot from me!

but hmmm let me hit the big ones!

1.Steering lock fuse pull. Wow what a great DIY mod! 20 minutes because I'm an idiot and dropped a leather-man tool down into my bay
Steering lock problem solved (for real)
Nissan does not use SC on all the post-Jun-2011 production, for those prior to it, just pull the fuse.

2. no oil cooler
- unforgivable defect but easily retrofitted. (I used stillen 25 row kit)
Oil Temperatures ?
honestly, 2+ years with the Z, oil-temp never an issue for me, even though a 90 mins Z cruise, how do you drive your Z on a normal day..?

3. Horrible clutch feel on 6mt
- many solutions from removing the stupid assist spring to a full clutch replace. I went full on with a JWT, but do we all agree the OEM clutch sucks donkey balls and should be considered a must fix or is it just me???
RJM Clutch Pedal System for 370Z - Fully Customizable Clutch Feel & Stroke
Clutch pedal too soft/no feel? Remove the helper spring!
"feel" is very subjective, you don't like how it feels, mod it, if you are ok with it, leave it... can't blame it.

4.Failure prone CSC.
- I did mine when puling apart tyranny to put in JWT. Is it worth swapping before failure?
http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...-failures.html
what kind of component can last forever..?

5. Massive 25 lb Flywheel.
-Is this a poor designby Nissan? I think so!!! I put in a much lighter JWT flywheel and did not notice increase in vibration, but did notice much better throttle response.

Jim Wolf Technology Clutch/Flywheel Combo w/ Free Accessories!! FREE 3-DAY SHIPPING!
most of the OEM flywheel are heavy, no matter it's on bimmer or civic (I drove a bimmer before, the OEM flywheel is about 40lbs)

6. TUNE!
- why don't they all come engine tuned to NISMO specs. Why do I have to put it up on a dyno (4-600 bucks) to get the same tune a nismo has stock??? That's just stupid marketing bs IMHO. It would cost Nissan nothing to flash all EDCs with the nismo data no?

I don"t have a DIY link but just... well get it done!
you want the NISMO spec....?? then buy the NISMO...!!!

7. Horrible road noise.
-From day one it has been criticized for road noise by everyone from R&T to my wife. I know sound-proffing is heavy (for you track bubbas), but a little engineering effort to help buffer the howl is definitely needed if you DD (I put some dynamat in key spots, but it still screams on some surfaces)
Cabin noise
man.... no offense.... it's a sports car.... you don't want noise... get a prius.....

8. The "sport" VLSD. (let alone the base "open" one!!)
-this thing is terrible. A real locking 1.5 or full 2 way (or at least a helical gear type) is a must unless you only bought the car for looks in which case this thread is wasted on you.
LSD on Sport Package
Same as (6), buy the sports package Z then...

9. hatch springs
-I mean come ON Nissan
DIY: Weight reduction/Fix hatch not opening issue
and
!!For 370Z Owners with the Stuck Hatch Release Issue!!

10. unnecessary Hatch weight
- so stupid that some have and some dont, even the factory kinda addresses this by only putting them in like half the cars.
DIY: Weight reduction/Fix hatch not opening issue

Whew and that was just a super quick search of the issues I mentioned

let me reiterate:

I LOVE MY 370Z!!!!!!

stop hating on me! I just feel like there was a lot to fix to make it go from troublesome and unpolished to amazing

Most of these fixes are almost free. Some are not

Example:
Right hand fuel starvation(Fuel Starvation Control Product) Which only effects those of us who drive this car either on the track, or like the kick butt sports car it was born to be, is a THOUSAND bucks to fix! I call that a bit "in the rough", but don't hate on me, mine is fixed, and I love it!

man.... how much do you want Nissan to sell a base Z for if you want them to put:

a light weight flywheel
better sway
25 rolls oil-cooler
LSD
NISMO ECU
better clutch
better CSC
PSS tires
more light weight material
better audio
better quality components....

dude.... please be realistic.... for its price.... what do you want...?

it's a USD$30k sports car.... it's not a Ferrari...

damian_mb · 10-18-2013, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SurfDog

In summary, for a few thousand bucks you can turn a pretty, though unreliable turd into a "real" sports car capable of holding its own against other "real" sports cars.

What have I missed??

So what do you consider a "real" sports car....

People want wayyyy too much these days, I just don't get it.

Someone said the sports brakes aren't great....wow! Drive my WRX and then tell me how "bad" the brakes are on the Z. Hell my Si had better brakes than my WRX.

Red__Zed · 10-18-2013, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian_mb

So what do you consider a "real" sports car....

People want wayyyy too much these days, I just don't get it.

Someone said the sports brakes aren't great....wow! Drive my WRX and then tell me how "bad" the brakes are on the Z. Hell my Si had better brakes than my WRX.

The WRX brakes get air on them. The Z's brakes don't work because of a styling decision.

05-27-2013, 12:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mt Tam I am A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: California Posts: 10,709 Drives: 370Z T/S/N 6MT & XKE Rep Power: 3844	If it makes us feel better, an M3 (E36?) owner told me he needed an extra fuel pump too, to fix fuel starvation. On the streets it is tougher to have happen as going left sends the fuel sloshing back. I don't face many long right handers. __________________ "Does the carpet match the drapes? NO!!! I don't date bald women." Nissan Motorsports 34R Oil Cooler. Stillen CBE. Hotchkis Sport Sway Bars. KW Variant 3 Coilover System. Stillen Gen3 CAI. Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Stillen Brake Ducts. Carbotech™ XP10/XP8 Pads. Z1 Front Rotors. Z1 Stainless Brake Lines. Two degrees of camber

05-27-2013, 12:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
Leuz Track Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: NorCal Posts: 555 Drives: Bunny Rep Power: 14	I have a 2013 and honestly I agree with most of your statements but the road noise. I haven't really heard any rattles nor noise while driving. And I drive in CA where roads blow. __________________ 2013 PW 370Z Touring+Sport, NAV Tint 35% side, 18% back \| RJM clutch pedal \| ZSpeed SS lines \| Stillen Gen3 CAI \| Fast Intentions HFC and TDX 12'' CF CBE \| UpRev

05-28-2013, 04:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	Thread= __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 31	Yes package 576 Just kidding Last edited by cossie1600; 05-28-2013 at 10:56 PM.

10-09-2013, 04:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
Nismodean Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington Posts: 313 Drives: 2009 RIP Now 2012 Rep Power: 15	I've had the fuel starve when at 1/2 tank. I thought I didn't have that issue until I took a sweeping on ramp to the highway in a "highly spirited" fashion then the engine just died. I was mashing the pedal "WTF'ing" for about 5 seconds when she just came back to life and continued on. I guess I incidentally clutch popped the engine back on haha. What is this extra weight you speak of in the hatch? I don't recall ever hearing about this. Her hatch doesn't seem overly burdensome but then again I've never opened anyone else's hatch. Or maybe I just like my women with heavy rear ends! __________________ The Truth, it hurts sometimes. FI LTH & FI CF CBE. This is a 370Z forum, if I want to fling poo at another brand of car and your feelings get hurt, then you're hanging out in the wrong forum (cry elsewhere).

10-09-2013, 04:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
Arrvaxx A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Whore Island, MN Posts: 1,243 Drives: 40th F.I. Twin Turbo Rep Power: 19	I'm sorry but I don't agree that it is 'in the rough'. A diamond in the rough would be a car that consitantly appears in the lower half of comparative reviews. The Z, -over all- (please don't pull one or two bad comparatives), lands in the middle of the pack. Nissan made compromises to keep the car's cost down and some of them didn't pan out. Just be happy we -can- turn them in to true mini-Godzillas. You could be stuck with a 2.5L that already has a turbo in it and that won't benefit from coil overs or what ever. There are cars that can out accelerate it, that can out corner it, that can out brake it, that can out anything it. But over all it is a solid car and -very- reliable. That to me describes a finished diamond. Granted...the grade may not have an 'Ideal' across the board but it is a finished diamond. Z owners are, IMHO, -way- too hard on the car. I think it comes from very high expectations that are a result of a love of the brand; a love that comes from a history of meeting high expectations. I'll take a steeering lock issue any day over trannys that fail every 10k miles or engines whos internals fail after 40k. UNKNOWN_370, mayday813, Felix 808 and 5 others like this. __________________ 2010 370Z 40th Anniversary (#480 born 1/19/2010) Fast Intentions Twin Turbo \| Varis Arising II \| Limited Edition Recaro Sportster \| Tuned by Specialty Z \| 604hp 525 torque @14lbs boost on 100 octane Last edited by Arrvaxx; 10-09-2013 at 04:33 PM.

10-09-2013, 04:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
ElVee Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 750 Drives: 13 370z 7at t+s grey Rep Power: 17	I'm of an opinion that the road noise issue has slowly and quietly been addressed over the years by Nissan. I don't really hear this complaint from newer models, and my own newer model is perfectly fine for a sports car.

10-09-2013, 04:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
ElVee Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 750 Drives: 13 370z 7at t+s grey Rep Power: 17	By the by, something that could take this thread to a new place would be maybe linking each issue/fix from the first post to a key thread or two about the topic.

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