370z is aesthetically a masterpiece

cheshirecat · 03-26-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Haboob

I may go to 25mm in the rear if the 20mm doesn't look good enough for me. Not sure.

That's what I had in my pics if you're just looking for a comparison.

on a different note:

As far as "what the Z is", I think Nissan is kind of torn over what they want the modern interpretation to be.

For me, the issue isn't necessarily "power" as much as it is power to weight ratio. The 240 and 280 were light cars with a moderate powerplant that drove like a dream. It seems to me that the 350 and 370 have gone away from this paradigm in the effort of chasing the bigger car/bigger engine crowd.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Z get quite a bit smaller and keep the same powerplant, or even downsize the engine (in hopes of getting a better front/rear weight ratio) to compensate for less weight.

The 370 is a "light" car in modern terms. I think they could make it a bit smaller and still appeal to their intended audience. Gas mileage, agility, and acceleration would all benefit.

I don't want to see the Z turn into a BRZ/FRS. I wouldn't mind seeing, though, a 2700-2800 pound machine with 300hp that scoots around like a go-kart.

I'd personally prefer that to a 400hp, 3600 pound monster. To me, the smaller/lighter/more agile car is more true to the Z's heritage rather than it turning into a V8 Mustang or M3 fighter.

edub370 · 03-26-2013, 10:02 AM

rear 3/4 views of this car really do it the most justice. also, just needs decatted to get rid of that factory tractor engine feel up top in the revs.

cheshirecat · 03-26-2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370

rear 3/4 views of this car really do it the most justice. alos, just needs decatted to get rid of that factory tractor engine feel up top in the revs.

Agreed. I think the front is even pretty nice with a lip kit. Too round without it.

The VQ is a pretty coarse engine up top, but that is kind of the nature of high-revving V6's (more or less). I do think they should do better, as this is one of the most criticized features of the engine in reviews.

A great car is only as strong as the weakest link in the chain. Luckily for the 370, that link is pretty far down the line, but it does exist.

m4a1mustang · 03-26-2013, 10:04 AM

I always felt like some people want the Z to be more than what it really is. In stock form, it's just a good compromise car. It combines power with agility. Think taking a 5.0 and a S2000 and putting them together... you get something like the 370Z.

Yes, it's not the fastest and it doesn't have the best handling, but it gives you just enough of both, IMO, to satisfy most people. This is something I never really appreciated until after owning both the 5.0 and S2000.

Now, is it possible you can be the best at everything? Probably. I think the C7 might get close to that level... but it's going to be a $60K + car. For the money, the Z is a pretty good value for someone that wants a good GT-style car. Not a full-on sports car or a full-on power car, but rather a well put together combination of both.

There are some small things I can nitpick over, but at the end of the day I appreciate it for what it is.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-26-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I always felt like some people want the Z to be more than what it really is. In stock form, it's just a good compromise car. It combines power with agility. Think taking a 5.0 and a S2000 and putting them together... you get something like the 370Z.

Yes, it's not the fastest and it doesn't have the best handling, but it gives you just enough of both, IMO, to satisfy most people. This is something I never really appreciated until after owning both the 5.0 and S2000.

Now, is it possible you can be the best at everything? Probably. I think the C7 might get close to that level... but it's going to be a $60K + car. For the money, the Z is a pretty good value for someone that wants a good GT-style car. Not a full-on sports car or a full-on power car, but rather a well put together combination of both.

There are some small things I can nitpick over, but at the end of the day I appreciate it for what it is.

Exactly. And some of us didn't have to buy two more cars to realize it.

lol Just messin witcha...
This is EXACTLY a compromise car. It will have most of what you want in every category, but will never have everything you want in one category.

ElVee · 03-26-2013, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I always felt like some people want the Z to be more than what it really is. In stock form, it's just a good compromise car. It combines power with agility. Think taking a 5.0 and a S2000 and putting them together... you get something like the 370Z.

Yes, it's not the fastest and it doesn't have the best handling, but it gives you just enough of both, IMO, to satisfy most people. This is something I never really appreciated until after owning both the 5.0 and S2000.

Now, is it possible you can be the best at everything? Probably. I think the C7 might get close to that level... but it's going to be a $60K + car. For the money, the Z is a pretty good value for someone that wants a good GT-style car. Not a full-on sports car or a full-on power car, but rather a well put together combination of both.

There are some small things I can nitpick over, but at the end of the day I appreciate it for what it is.

This right here is the reason for my pending purchase of a Z. If I didn't live in Iowa and instead were somewhere with more winding roads, I'd probably go BRZ.

Jordo! · 03-26-2013, 10:14 AM

Really, other than a few Porshces (and I HATE the bug-eyed headlights) the only other car that I like the lines better on would have to be a hardtop Z4.

That's good company for a humble Datusn to keep;a respectable, and high scoring 2nd place winner.

If Toyota/Subaru had made the "Scion concept" the primary body style (Prototype v. 3.0, rather than 2.0), I might have put the twins ahead of the Z, but given the final product we got, I place it at a comfortably distant 3rd.

ZMan8 · 03-26-2013, 10:15 AM

the car is just pretty.

on the subject of power, i think more so than hp it needs more torque. I think for a small sports car 330-380 bhp is plenty enough. Most people complain about the lack of "neck snapping" acceleration and that's something more torque would fix. In a good world the next z would be 3100 lbs, 370 bhp, 350 torque

m4a1mustang · 03-26-2013, 10:17 AM

I think I did 15/20.

m4a1mustang · 03-26-2013, 10:39 AM

Chris cares more about driving fun than anything else, so I can see where he'd like the FRS more. You can push the hell out of that car in relative safety on the road!

I know when my S2K was on horribad all season tires it was SO much fun because it had NO grip at all. Trying to keep up with RandyD's 370 on Super Sports was a lot of fun because I was sliding all over the place at a relatively modest pace.

ZMan8 · 03-26-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Chris cares more about driving fun than anything else, so I can see where he'd like the FRS more. You can push the hell out of that car in relative safety on the road!

I know when my S2K was on horribad all season tires it was SO much fun because it had NO grip at all. Trying to keep up with RandyD's 370 on Super Sports was a lot of fun because I was sliding all over the place at a relatively modest pace.

the top gear argument right there for fun. high hp sports/exotics are great, but you really can't enjoy them for what they are while obeying the law.

small hp, light weight cars you can be legal and having fun.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-26-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Chris cares more about driving fun than anything else, so I can see where he'd like the FRS more. You can push the hell out of that car in relative safety on the road!

I know when my S2K was on horribad all season tires it was SO much fun because it had NO grip at all. Trying to keep up with RandyD's 370 on Super Sports was a lot of fun because I was sliding all over the place at a relatively modest pace.

Want the Z to be more fun? Buy 17 inch, 7f/8r wide all season wheel/tires and turn vdc off.

See if the Z doesn't throw its back out for everything.

I been inside an FRS and the cockpit is the dullest thing in the world. When you're not pushing the limits. The cockpit and commuter level power will put you to sleep for sure.

m4a1mustang · 03-26-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Want the Z to be more fun? Buy 17 inch, 7f/8r wide all season wheel/tires and turn vdc off.

See if the Z doesn't throw its back out for everything.

I been inside an FRS and the cockpit is the dullest thing in the world. When you're not pushing the limits. The cockpit and commuter level power will put you to sleep for sure.

But then again I think that's the point of that car too. It's docile when you want it to be. Fling it around on some back roads, though, and it's very lively (although not fast).

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-26-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

But then again I think that's the point of that car too. It's docile when you want it to be. Fling it around on some back roads, though, and it's very lively (although not fast).

I get it. Just not a fan. Wait... What really makes me not a fan is I cant understand how this car doesn't top out at $25,000??? $5,000 you're paying in RWD tax. lol. No thanks. This thing should start @ $22,000 and top out at $25,000. It doesn't deserve to be $3,000 under the Z even when fully loaded.

That was the original marketing price they set. And if they would have stuck by it. I wouldn't have anything to say. But $30,000 for this loaded is laughable... Honestly. Especially considering loaded means you have a screen and leather?

I don't have a problem with paying for performance when the price matches the performance. The BRZ/FRS doesn't make a case of justifying the price.

Red__Zed · 03-26-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I get it. Just not a fan. Wait... What really makes me not a fan is I cant understand how this car doesn't top out at $25,000??? $5,000 you're paying in RWD tax. lol. No thanks. This thing should start @ $22,000 and top out at $25,000. It doesn't deserve to be $3,000 under the Z even when fully loaded.

That was the original marketing price they set. And if they would have stuck by it. I wouldn't have anything to say. But $30,000 for this loaded is laughable... Honestly. Especially considering loaded means you have a screen and leather?

I don't have a problem with paying for performance when the price matches the performance. The BRZ/FRS doesn't make a case of justifying the price.

Frankly, they jumped the price because Nissan let them.

03-26-2013, 10:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 21	rear 3/4 views of this car really do it the most justice. also, just needs decatted to get rid of that factory tractor engine feel up top in the revs. __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq Last edited by edub370; 03-26-2013 at 10:13 AM.

03-26-2013, 10:04 AM	#4 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	I always felt like some people want the Z to be more than what it really is. In stock form, it's just a good compromise car. It combines power with agility. Think taking a 5.0 and a S2000 and putting them together... you get something like the 370Z. Yes, it's not the fastest and it doesn't have the best handling, but it gives you just enough of both, IMO, to satisfy most people. This is something I never really appreciated until after owning both the 5.0 and S2000. Now, is it possible you can be the best at everything? Probably. I think the C7 might get close to that level... but it's going to be a $60K + car. For the money, the Z is a pretty good value for someone that wants a good GT-style car. Not a full-on sports car or a full-on power car, but rather a well put together combination of both. There are some small things I can nitpick over, but at the end of the day I appreciate it for what it is. ZMan8 and Ziggyman like this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

03-26-2013, 10:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 419	Really, other than a few Porshces (and I HATE the bug-eyed headlights) the only other car that I like the lines better on would have to be a hardtop Z4. That's good company for a humble Datusn to keep;a respectable, and high scoring 2nd place winner. If Toyota/Subaru had made the "Scion concept" the primary body style (Prototype v. 3.0, rather than 2.0), I might have put the twins ahead of the Z, but given the final product we got, I place it at a comfortably distant 3rd. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 03-26-2013 at 10:17 AM.

03-26-2013, 10:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
ZMan8 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 5,844 Drives: 10 370z 40th M6 Rep Power: 659	the car is just pretty. on the subject of power, i think more so than hp it needs more torque. I think for a small sports car 330-380 bhp is plenty enough. Most people complain about the lack of "neck snapping" acceleration and that's something more torque would fix. In a good world the next z would be 3100 lbs, 370 bhp, 350 torque cheshirecat likes this. __________________ 2010 370Z 40 Anniv., 6 MT \| Fast Intentions \| Swift Springs \| SPC \| Z1Motorsports \| JWM \| Redline Oils \| 35% Window Tint 2015 Mazda6 \| 370ZChicago: Chicago Area Cars & Coffee

03-26-2013, 10:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	I think I did 15/20. ZMan8 likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

03-26-2013, 10:39 AM	#10 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Chris cares more about driving fun than anything else, so I can see where he'd like the FRS more. You can push the hell out of that car in relative safety on the road! I know when my S2K was on horribad all season tires it was SO much fun because it had NO grip at all. Trying to keep up with RandyD's 370 on Super Sports was a lot of fun because I was sliding all over the place at a relatively modest pace. ZMan8 likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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