Car and Driver's Cars Worth Waiting For: 2016 Z

m4a1mustang · 05-30-2013, 08:39 AM

Yeah but just remember they stuff a lot of beefy bits in the Z that they don't in the Altima. Drivetrain, reinforcements, etc. Adds up.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-30-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Yeah but just remember they stuff a lot of beefy bits in the Z that they don't in the Altima. Drivetrain, reinforcements, etc. Adds up.

Oh i know, but the altima is a bigger vehicle as well, with backseats, more safety bits and extra doors and more glass etc. I think it's possible for the z and altima to be equal in weight.

m4a1mustang · 05-30-2013, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Oh i know, but the altima is a bigger vehicle as well, with backseats, more safety bits and extra doors and more glass etc. I think it's possible for the z and altima to be equal in weight.

But the Altima also has practically no drivetrain relative to the Z. That's where a lot of the weight comes in.

Anyhoo, if they can cut the weight on the Z that'd be great. And if they can't, at least move some of it back in the chassis. I wouldn't mind if they made the hood a little longer and got the engine further back behind the front axle like on the S2000.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-30-2013, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

But the Altima also has practically no drivetrain relative to the Z. That's where a lot of the weight comes in.

Anyhoo, if they can cut the weight on the Z that'd be great. And if they can't, at least move some of it back in the chassis. I wouldn't mind if they made the hood a little longer and got the engine further back behind the front axle like on the S2000.

Yeah, i was thinking that too. More lithe hood, re-extend the wheelbase to redistribute some of that weight.

See this is why im a big proponent of a smaller displacement engine. Alot of the issues is the weight of the VQ

Well at least we know 129lbs was taken off the Q.

zeeder · 05-30-2013, 09:34 AM

I'd like 2800 lbs with a stiffer chassis, a twin turbo v6 mid-mounted with 400hp/400ft-lb and has a combined EPA of 32MPG. Also, I'd like another inch of headroom and for it to be designed after the 458 Italia. Oh yeah, and it should start at $28,999 and max out at $40,000 fully loaded!!

While I'm at it, I would like the winning numbers to a record powerball/megamillions jackpot with an after taxes take-home of at least $250mil and for Kate Beckinsale to agree to be friends with benefits!

I think that's a good start.

SmokeEater27 · 05-30-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zeeder

I'd like 2800 lbs with a stiffer chassis, a twin turbo v6 mid-mounted with 400hp/400ft-lb and has a combined EPA of 32MPG. Also, I'd like another inch of headroom and for it to be designed after the 458 Italia. Oh yeah, and it should start at $28,999 and max out at $40,000 fully loaded!!

While I'm at it, I would like the winning numbers to a record powerball/megamillions jackpot with an after taxes take-home of at least $250mil and for Kate Beckinsale to agree to be friends with benefits!

I think that's a good start.

Whenever theres a group buy in for eveything you listed let me know because ill take one of everything as well lol

/Angelo350Z/ · 05-30-2013, 09:15 AM

I understand Nissan's financially not in a position to completely revamp the Z and start from scratch. Fortunately, the 370Z is a great starting point. It's lighter, faster, handles better, and has a better interior than the 350Z. If only the next Z can have at least 50 more hp, and a stiffer chassis while keeping the weight down, I'll be extremely happy. More frame reinforcements, and perhaps a retuned VK50VE from the Infiniti FX50 pushing over 400 hp with at least a 7K rpm redline comes to mind.

An FX50 is around $65K, so a similarly powered Z should be between $5K to $10K less than that. Sure, it's wishful thinking, but 500Z has a good ring to it. Oh, and no more boomerang lights please.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-30-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

I understand Nissan's financially not in a position to completely revamp the Z and start from scratch. Fortunately, the 370Z is a great starting point. It's lighter, faster, handles better, and has a better interior than the 350Z. If only the next Z can have at least 50 more hp, and a stiffer chassis while keeping the weight down, I'll be extremely happy. More frame reinforcements, and perhaps a retuned VK50VE from the Infiniti FX50 pushing over 400 hp with at least a 7K rpm redline comes to mind.

An FX50 is around $65K, so a similarly powered Z should be between $5K to $10K less than that. Sure, it's wishful thinking, but 500Z has a good ring to it. Oh, and no more boomerang lights please.

It sounds like you want a corvette to me... Just trade for the C7 if that's what you want?

A 500z idea has no concept of Nissan's history culture and philosophy when it comes to the Z. If you really think a 500Z is a good idea??? Why don't we make the 500z crosstour and sedan too?

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We've deviated enough from Mr. K's original philosophy. It's time to bring it back closer to it's roots.

/Angelo350Z/ · 05-30-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

It sounds like you want a corvette to me... Just trade for the C7 if that's what you want?

A 500z idea has no concept of Nissan's history culture and philosophy when it comes to the Z. If you really think a 500Z is a good idea??? Why don't we make the 500z crosstour and sedan too?

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We've deviated enough from Mr. K's original philosophy. It's time to bring it back closer to it's roots.

Did you not read the "wishful thinking" part of my comment? I know this is not going to happen. Besides, I could care less about going back to the roots. What, you'd rather have a BRZ fighter as the next Z? I'd prefer a more powerful Z from the factory. A RWD, 2-seater slotted beneath the GTR is the Z I want. Something to compete with base Vettes and Carreras.

Magic Bus · 05-30-2013, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

Did you not read the "wishful thinking" part of my comment? I know this is not going to happen. Besides, I could care less about going back to the roots. What, you'd rather have a BRZ fighter as the next Z? I'd prefer a more powerful Z from the factory. A RWD, 2-seater slotted beneath the GTR is the Z I want. Something to compete with base Vettes and Carreras.

Like you, I don't want the future Z to be in the BRZ category. If Nissan goes that route, looks like I'll be keeping my 13Z for a while then move on to a different car company.

However, if they do add more power, shed weight in the right places, it should improve upon it's great handling and driving dynamics. I would trade up to a newer Z, even if it costs a little more.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-30-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

Did you not read the "wishful thinking" part of my comment? I know this is not going to happen. Besides, I could care less about going back to the roots. What, you'd rather have a BRZ fighter as the next Z? I'd prefer a more powerful Z from the factory. A RWD, 2-seater slotted beneath the GTR is the Z I want. Something to compete with base Vettes and Carreras.

No issue with the Z being more powerful. But ugh, a v8 will kill everything about the car. Our car plows hard in corners now when stock and has an understeer issue when taking a corner at the limit.
Imagine how that will go with a 5.0L v8?

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"we have to go lighter and more fuel efficient" sounds like a BRZ fighter to me!
Jay Leno at Nissan DNA Heritage Garage - YouTube

Not necessarily. A weight reduction and over 300hp would still keep it a Cayman fighter. The FR-S/BRZ is in everyones mouth cuz it's the new kid on the block. But that doesn't mean we need to compete with such a low powered vehicle.

Cars the z needs to worry about in terms of power

Porsche Cayman S chrono.
BMW 135is
Audi TT-S
BMW Z4
Possibly the next generation Hyundai gencoupe 3.8? (still questionable if it will be comp?)

Spikuh · 05-31-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Not necessarily. A weight reduction and over 300hp would still keep it a Cayman fighter. The FR-S/BRZ is in everyones mouth cuz it's the new kid on the block. But that doesn't mean we need to compete with such a low powered vehicle.

Cars the z needs to worry about in terms of power

Porsche Cayman S chrono.
BMW 135is
Audi TT-S
Possibly the next generation Hyundai gencoupe 3.8? (still questionable if it will be comp?)

I would prefer the Z continue to targeting "higher-end" vehicles.

If they really want a FRS fighter, Silvia all the way.

Jordo! · 05-31-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh

I would prefer the Z continue to targeting "higher-end" vehicles.

If they really want a FRS fighter, Silvia all the way.

Notwithstanding price and whatever qualia the 86 twins claim, the Z beats it in every way -- lux, power, actual (over imagined) handling and braking.

It's still a bargin basement Porsche or perhaps fighting with the US Muscle/Pony cars for customers. The other major competitor is the Genesis.

About the same (or a little less) weight plus another 25-50 ponies, further chassis refinement, other nettling issues resolved (e.g., fuel starve) and we're there.

Ooooh I wants me the next gen Z -- bring on the concept already!

On the weight: Anyone know what the Q50 is supposed to be coming in at? I'm guessing we can expect similar weight difference between current Z:current G and next gen Z:Q50.

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zeeder Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Columbia, MO Age: 48 Posts: 460 Drives: ‘13 370Z ST 6M Rep Power: 3429	I'd like 2800 lbs with a stiffer chassis, a twin turbo v6 mid-mounted with 400hp/400ft-lb and has a combined EPA of 32MPG. Also, I'd like another inch of headroom and for it to be designed after the 458 Italia. Oh yeah, and it should start at $28,999 and max out at $40,000 fully loaded!! While I'm at it, I would like the winning numbers to a record powerball/megamillions jackpot with an after taxes take-home of at least $250mil and for Kate Beckinsale to agree to be friends with benefits! I think that's a good start. UNKNOWN_370 and SmokeEater27 like this. __________________ Zack FI catback, HFC, and Start Button - Z1 Intake - Nismo S-Tune Spoiler - PasswordJDM V2 Shift Knob Last edited by zeeder; 05-30-2013 at 09:37 AM.

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/Angelo350Z/ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Germany Posts: 2,230 Drives: Z34 \| MK7 \| F82 Rep Power: 3661	I understand Nissan's financially not in a position to completely revamp the Z and start from scratch. Fortunately, the 370Z is a great starting point. It's lighter, faster, handles better, and has a better interior than the 350Z. If only the next Z can have at least 50 more hp, and a stiffer chassis while keeping the weight down, I'll be extremely happy. More frame reinforcements, and perhaps a retuned VK50VE from the Infiniti FX50 pushing over 400 hp with at least a 7K rpm redline comes to mind. An FX50 is around $65K, so a similarly powered Z should be between $5K to $10K less than that. Sure, it's wishful thinking, but 500Z has a good ring to it. Oh, and no more boomerang lights please. __________________ 2013 MB NISSAN 370Z SPORT

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