The old Eclipse handles as well as a new Beetle. I still say go for a Beetle Turbo. Heck, it's more of a chick magnet than a Z, look at how many chicks are driving it

Honestly, the Z is at another level than those cars and much more fun. also RWD seems more fun for someone that doesnt track as opposed to AWD. i think what you enjoy is the fact that those cars are boosted.
To each there own, but id rather Boost the nismo, and have a faster much more unique car that you dont see every day. Nothing interesting about another evo or sti on the road. but a boostted nismo :tup: besides, your young. you dont need back seats lol.

either way, best of luck on your decision, but i will say from experience that my Z gets more :tup: than my friends evo, which is much more modified.
its a Z forum, of course were biased :happydance: lol

yep, been there done that long time ago. fun at first, pita later. then you end up with a competent car (in stock form) like the 370Z for street use and drive it mostly stock.

it's like after a while modding gets old and you just do the minimum mods to a nice car to make it yours instead of tearing the thing apart to make it some crazy road machine that runs unreliably and get tired of.

i think best is keep your nismo and get another 4banger turbo hatch that you want. you say you make good $ you can afford it.

then you can do your experimenting and later realize why the nismo is the way it is.

BTW, the nismo runs harsh for a 19yr old? wtf... my modded cars when i was younger were much MUCH stiffer and cornered like on rails at the cost of comfort. im too old for that now. 370Z is nearly perfect for street in stock form. just needs a few things (exhaust, stereo mod).

over and out GL! :tup:

90% of the time Subaru ringland failures are caused by people slapping an intake and/or exhaust on the car without tuning for it. If you're ok with 325-350 whp, go with the Subaru. It'll run forever with a good tune. If you plan on going bigger, get the Evo or plan on building a motor.

i hear that a tune can prevent ringland failures but i have read cases about it happening to 100% stock cars and how subaru went to great lengths to research the owners interests(the one story that stood out to me the most was that subaru denied a warranty claim for ringland failures on a 100% stock car all because the owner liked to watch the rallycross X Games event and he "might" have over reved it to cause the failure) plus the only way to avoid ringland failures is to go aftermarket and if you do that, your warranty is as good as gone

not that Mitsubishi's warranty is any better but i would rather have a lack of warranty then having warranty but being denied a claim all because the manufacture things you "might" have done something


@KenChan
my definition of good money probably isnt the same as your definition of good money, im making good money for a 19 year old(about 3k/month) and right now most of that money is being dumped into insurance($2500/6 months) for my car, car payments(about $600) and rent(about $1200)
the rest goes into eating, gas, and other misc items
i dont really have any extra money to spend so another car payment isnt out of the question if i get a turbo 4banger, i can buy outright but im not going to buy a honda or some other cheap beater car/rice rocket(which is all i can really afford to buy outright) and on top of it have insurance go up on me...

please dont say what i can and cant afford without knowing my financial situation first, its kind of rude...

@everyone else, i appreciate your opinions on the matter, i know this is a Z forum so i expect everyone to be bias towards the Z(heck i am bias sometimes as well) but i also want some real opinions on the matter
thanks

A couple of other 4 bangers not mentioned are the Mazda Machspeed 3 and Genesis Coupe. The Genesis comes in turbo and has a decent interior. Hell, if you want cheap you can go with a Neon SRT 4. They cheap to mod and go like mad! Good luck on your journey!

You are making the classic younger person mistake of car hopping. Even if you hop to a cheaper car, you won't be happy and hop again. You are making peanuts for living in the San Diego area, so take some advice and think really hard about the financial impact of your decisions.

this is quite true. I drove 370z Nismo to work for about 5 months. the male co-workers liked the car. Only one female co-worker ever told me she liked the car.

then I stopped driving the 370z and got a New Beetle for daily commute. Five or six women told me they liked that New Beetle :eek:

i went to Subaru dealer to order a WRX limited because I needed a sedan to drive my friends/relatives around on the weekend. the sales guy told me the order time would be about 16 weeks. This is my 3rd week into it :eek:

for me, the dealer made it come true.

I brought my 370z nismo in for service and later that week, the dealer called me and asked me if I would be interested in selling them the car.

they offered me $12k less than the price i had paid for the car. I had the car for 3 years so $12k/36 = $333/mo loss. For me it was reasonable -- had I leased a 370z nismo, the cost per month would probably be higher, so I took their offer.

about the 370z nismo.
it looks fantastic and is very quick but the ride is too harsh for me. The roads where I live aren't too good. also the stock stereo on the 2010 is pretty poor and there's no factory NAV.

those are my likes and dislikes.

The only attention the car gets is usually other dudes.

For the most part, I think you're right, although I've received compliments from people of both genders.

Generalizing here, most women don't care enough about performance cars or driving to even know how special a Z is, and most men care only enough to know what a Z is. Every once in a while, you get an enthusiast of either gender who recognizes and enjoys the car enough to compliment it. But you also get compliments from non-enthusiasts who just recognize that it's a nice car.

Don't u think that's kinda sad that the ecu parameters in that car are so narrow, and the ecu is so unadaptable to the SLIGHTEST afr change that it causes catastrophic engine failure??

Par for the course on a turbo car if you run it hard.

Messing with the air tract on an FI car is much different than something NA.


The only reason you hear about these issues on subarus more than other cars is the types of people that own them and how they drive.